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Originally Posted by catherine
I was there in the 70s when North Sea oil was just starting to flow into Scotland. That was a game changer.
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Originally Posted by catherine
I was there in the 70s when North Sea oil was just starting to flow into Scotland. That was a game changer.
I suspect the problem is that when there are only a handful of positions in your specialty that are available each generation, you have to weigh “principles” vs “a job” :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I’m glad she found a solution that works. In an ideal world, she’ll grab one of the positions at Cambridge or Oxford in a few years when one of the elders decides to open up a spot for the “younger” generation. But by then, she may be totally happy where she’s landed.
The other issue is her partner is a UK/Scottish lad, who is currently doing his post-doc/fellowship program at Oxford and in Rome. It is *very* difficult for them to find two academic positions at the same institution.
The stock market has been curiously resilient among all the predictions for recession, inflation due to tariffs, the bond market, and general unrest. Maybe not a sign of the economy, but investor speculation for future performance. I'm a buy and hold person, but even as a speculator, I'd certainly not want to add more equities to things. Maybe there are a lot of Trumpsters that are unfazed by the naysayers.
I have a tradition of watching the evening ABC news, supposedly one of the most watched news programs on TV. A couple of times now there has been a commercial as a scare-mercial on getting immigrants to self-deport. And a couple of times one from a source us taxpayers probably pay for saying how great the Trump economy is doing. It's filled with the usual unsubstantiated figures on how well inflation, the price of gas, and other indicators are doing. I have to say it's pretty strategic marketing. Seems like the dems could learn a lesson there.
Nothing like last minute (4pm Chicago time) release of the EO about steel/aluminum duties doing to 50% at midnight eastern time. Having to stay late to get a customs clearance done. Of course there are issues so back and forth with customer in India.
Ugh. I simply cannot imagine the chaos this is causing…Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
All of these changes have caused chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
It seems that the markets are discounting many of Trump’s utterances based on his lack of follow-through. Call it the TACO factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Disgusting today to see Nat’l Guard deployed against our own citizens protesting peacefully… authoritarian regime in power. Thought republicans wanted states to have choice over matters. CA does not want guard there. Unwanted federal intervention.
https://apnews.com/article/insurrect...be274a6f266a7a
My thought is this is a precursor to next week when many protests are scheduled.
do you have any sense of irony at all that the article you linked shows in the first picture non-peaceful protest? I know another word for “non-peaceful “is “violent.” Multiple people are kicking and attempting harm to the vehicle. God only knows what they would do to the person inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
I guess this protest will be like the entirely peaceful protests during George Floyd era when everyone was good, righteous, and peaceful. I guess the burning of buildings in St. Louis and etc. were a weird anomaly. They certainly weren’t reported on widely, St. Louis stuff. I told you all how a building in my will was on the receiving end of attempted fire destruction.
But that did not fit the favored narrative of legacy media.
I agree that it is a precursor, but designed to prevent another summer of "mostly peaceful protests" which destroy and harm communities.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
I'm not in favor of federalizing state national guard units unless absolutely necessary but I think that whenever the allegedly peaceful protestors feel free to throw bricks, set fires and make every effort to subvert legal actions by federal agents, someone has to step up and support order and the rule of law. I don't find it disgusting at all to do so, nor does the vast majority of our citizenry in general or the specific citizens of the protest sites.
I could go along with what you're saying Alan, for the most part, except I really don't think Trump cares if California defaces itself or burns and loots itself. It's more of a show of power.
And, there are processes for these things. Newsome did not ask for help.
This sort of thing inevitably becomes a sort of Rorschach test of political sensibilities. Some see a peaceful, flower-bedecked protest being attacked without provocation by vicious storm troopers. Others a typical rock-throwing, car-burning riot local authorities are too pusillanimous to deal with.
Karen Bass hasn’t fled town, which I take to be a hopeful sign.
I remember where I was standing in high school in Ohio when we heard about the killings of unarmed students by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State.
It felt very close to home.
You are wrong. Watch what is happening now. The protests were peaceful. And, I don’t believe this action by trump supports the rule of law and order …. quite the opposite. It was not necessary or requested that the Guard be dispatched. It is an authoritarian show of power. Reminds me of Tiananmen Square… hopefully without the same result! Yes, I know that was with students but the show of power by the government is the same…. not necessary. We “lived” in a democracy. It appears our powers of speech are being driven (or trying to be) driven down. We all should be rising up to protest!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
We talked about this previously. My son lives not far from there. You have no clue what actually happened there. Look back and see … not going to rehashQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I have no idea where the “there” is you are talking about but there were George Floyd Protests in St. Louis, ya know, where *I* live.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
I wonder what the Nation Guard can do that the state and local police can not. I suspect they are not trained. in insurrection or protest control. Making Newsom look weak probably played into Trump's decision if his history of revenge applies.
Mrs Walz gave us a first hand account of opening her windows in order to enjoy the smell of burning businesses. Was she lying?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Maybe provide a better response time when the peaceful little old ladies rush the incarceration center? Maybe provide the personnel to find and secure the stashes of bricks before they can be launched at federal employees going about their business, or perhaps carry fire extinguishers to put out the flames? There's probably more than enough to keep them busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Oh, I don't know about that. A little over 50 years ago the Air Force put me through recurring riot and crowd control training. I'm sure the National Guard's MP divisions still do the same.Quote:
I suspect they are not trained.
I doubt anyone 'makes' Newsom look weak.Quote:
Making Newsom look weak probably played into Trump's decision if his history of revenge applies.
From the good ol’ boys brought in that were hiding gasoline filled water bottles and causing malaise. People of that neighborhood were not the culprits. Hope this helps you some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I can recall a time in not too distant history when poorly prepared Nation Guard was called in to suppress a "peaceful protest" or insurrection. It did not have a good outcome. There are songs about it.
Hopefully, the big ugly bill trump is proposing gets shot down big time. Is all the news about the Nat’l Guard another diversion tactic to take away the spot light from the ugly cuts to popular services and massive spending? How much is the big useless trump parade on the 14th or the ridiculous plane “given” to trump (not us … he will use)? DOGE was a joke!
LOL, OK. I feel enlightened....or maybe just amused. Not sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
We had National Guard inQuote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Ferguson for the mostly peaceful Michael Brown/Gentle Giant of Ferguson riots. They helped out quite a bit.
The local police officials were pleased no lives were lost in that circus.
it is common in these protests for the daytime protestors to be mostly peaceful although they like disrupting traffic and stopping all kinds of activities, but the nighttime protestors come out to riot and loot and burn stuff.
Is there any issue with the fact that California voted for Newsom and not for Trump to make decisions on state issues, and how is this a threat to some real or concocted version of national security. As in state's rights.
About 40% of them did vote for Trump, but not to make decisions on state issues. Of course we're not talking about a state issue in this case as the protests and federal response are centered on Federal employees, policies and facilities. If the state cannot or will not adequately protect or support the federal infrastructure and mission within its jurisdiction, the Feds have a duty to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I'm not sure what infrastructure is in danger, however I can understand the mission of Homeland Security to deport as many potentially illegals as possible might be impeded. Whether the state police can handle this or if it justifies the National Guard would be up for debate, as is the fact that this could be a manufactured crisis. The credibility of the administration is demonstrably at issue as is his strategies to resolve disputes on day one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
A federal detention facility in Los Angeles where entrances/exits were blocked and rocks and bricks were thrown at employees trying to disperse the offenders. When ICE requested local police response, it took nearly 2 hours to arrive. Local police advised that it was too dangerous to enter the protest zone and that their presence may make the situation worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
That’s because you are one of those white nationalist good ol’ boys?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
trump had no right to intervene. trump keeps saying bring control back to the states but does not do so… instead incites violence with his rhetoric. No King day next week! Find out where the protest is in your area and GO!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
ETA … just SAW trump saying he will have troops in all states. WTH! …
In this case we are assuming a 2 hour wait really matters that much. How would the troops have changed or escalated things? It looks like without invoking the insurrection act, the legal authority of the troops is limited to protecting the federal building and not policing the streets. Of course law has never stopped Trump. Newsom is suing, so we can assume there is a possibility of it being illegal..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
It makes a nice diversion from trumps failing economy, tariffs, and the big beautiful bill, and is a show of political power. The practical functionality is in question.
Here's a comment form a legal authority.
...that for now the federalized troops appeared to have limited authority. Once deployed, they will be able to protect ICE agents and federal buildings against attacks by protesters but not to carry out immigration raids or police the city’s streets in general.
Except that the president has stated he sent in the troops to quell "rebellion."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I keep flashing back to that day at gym class when we heard about Kent State. It was less than an hour's drive away. We heard by 2 pm. And that before the internet and 24 hour news access. There weren't even computers.
I remember Kent state...
Did ya’ll get nostalgic for Kent State when states like Washington called out their National Guard to address the weeks-on-end violence a few years ago? The only discussion I remember on these forums questioned the legitimacy of government imposed curfews which I think is a legitimate concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by nswef
for the record, I also think it’s an area of concern when the President acts against a state’s wishes but I don’t mind that federal resources are being protected against idiot people who will destroy them for no gain.
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https://www.heraldnet.com/northwest/...loyd-protests/
The LA Police Chief has said his force was “overwhelmed” by the scale of the rioting. All those peaceful protesters burning cars and blocking streets was too much for them. I see Maxine Waters had herself filmed trying to force her way into a detention facility.
Yes, when I heard "National Guard" / "protesters" I immediately thought of Kent State. I agree this is another show of power by the Federal Government. It's funny how "Nanny G" means one thing to some people and something else to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
ETA: I am not saying that the National Guard isn't needed in this case, at this point. Seems things are escalating.
Nanny is always Nanny whether she is doing something we like or something we don’t like.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
when the bigger government steps to solve the problems of the smaller government, I don’t know that it’s always legitimate. For instance, in our state, the state prosecutor’s office felt the need to step in to solve the dysfunctional problems of .st. Louis’ prosecutor’s office. I had mixed thoughts about that.
On the one hand, gee it would be nice if crime victims saw their perpetrators actually charged and experience appropriate consequences. On the other hand, I think the voting citizens of St. Louis deserve their city prosecutor and her shenanigans because they voted her in and protested loudly any action to remove her from office. You want thieves, rapists and murderers to run amuck within the city? Okey-dokey you got it.
See, I can hold two conflicting ideas in my head at the same time.
I'm in the school that this should be a state rights issue and other than the protection of federal building and employees there does appear a legal basis for emplying the national guard. And heavens knows of the implications of using the Marines against US citizens, as has been hinted at.
However, if I have the story right, the protests are against ICE raids to deport people who are in the country illegally? Is that wrong? Even before Trump ICE raids were common. Protesters are brandishing Mexican flags to show solidarity. This isn't Mexico. Of course there are issues around due process.
Back in the fifties Eisenhower federalized the Arkansas National Guard and deployed elements of the 101st Airborne to Little Rock, so there must be some legal precedent. Not that I’m all that crazy about the Feds exercising that option. My understanding was that the Guard in LA was mostly posted around federal facilities. The local authorities seemed to be more interested in striking defiant poses than quelling civil disorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I agree with you that rioters waving Mexican, Salvadoran and Palestinian flags was troubling.
LOL, well that's not the worst thing you've called me, luckily I'm not easily offended and it won't stop my participation in whatever discussion I find interesting so, try harder?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one