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1-2-20, 2:47pm
iris lilies

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Well, the last couple weeks, CNN and MSNBC kept banging the "Mayor Pete has 0% support in the black community, and the black community is the base of the Democratic Party, so he should give up" drum.

This line of thinking is such bullshit. The black vote is not the core of the Democratic party. And if black voters are indeed disrespecting Mayor Pete for the chief reason that he is a gay man, why support that point of view? What a ridiculous position.

I am listening to Scott Adams (chronicler of Dilbert) who say he is socially “left of Bernie” and he has some very interesting things to say about Donald Trump’s ability to speak to a crowd and engender a following. That doesn't mean he supports Trump. But to the black and white thinkers (several here on this board) his opinion would translate as pro-Trump.

Anyway, Dilbert thinks Biden is embarrassing and is surprised the Democrat machine is allowing him to go this far, given Biden fairly serious problems in speaking and campaigning. Dilbert says he has yet to meet a Biden supporter. That certainly rings true for this board. He says Warren, Bernie (the socialists) cannot beat Trump in a general election, and Joe
biden is too much of a tired and worn out pol.

But the Democratic party kingmakers are doing things like what bae posted, tamping down the Mayor Petes and Gabbards and etc.

way to dig your own graves, Dems.
1-2-20, 3:03pm
LDAHL

If it goes to a brokered convention, there may be worse positions than the majority’s second choice.

Oddly enough, I’ve read that Trump is polling surprisingly well among blacks. Much better, anyway, than the last several GOP candidates (an admittedly low bar).
1-2-20, 3:15pm
catherine

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

But the Democratic party kingmakers are doing things like what bae posted, tamping down the Mayor Petes and Gabbards and etc.

way to dig your own graves, Dems.

I agree. They're clueless. I see this in market research all the time when you see executives so invested in what they believe to be true about their product that it makes it very difficult to report the findings of the research. They won't believe it. Even when they pay a LOT of money to do the research, they expect the results are going to corroborate their beliefs, and if they don't, they just do what they want anyway, with disastrous results.
1-2-20, 3:21pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by bae

I have also found on other social issues in the past that union endorsement was perhaps a poor proxy for the views of the overall membership...

I can't find any post election polling data, but if this is even close to how people actually voted, I'd say that, yes, police officers were quite supportive of trump.

https://www.policemag.com/342098/the...sidential-poll
1-2-20, 3:25pm
kib

I think the logic behind Biden is precisely his ... blankness. He seems like a tabla rasa, sort of a political reset period in which relatively little happens. Can we afford that? I don't know, but the wild swing in one direction from Trump, then the potential wild swing to the left from someone like Bernie ... it starts to seem like a game, like people don't really want to make adult choices that might help stabilize our world, they just a. have a personal agenda or b. delight in the chaos and dismay that extremist candidates create.

I'm not a fan of Biden but I do idealize the concept of resetting and then looking more logically at who would be a still-reasonable shift one way or the other in 2024.
1-2-20, 3:36pm
ApatheticNoMore

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I am listening to Scott Adams (chronicler of Dilbert) who say he is socially “left of Bernie” and he has some very interesting things to say about Donald Trump’s ability to speak to a crowd and engender a following. That doesn't mean he supports Trump. But to the black and white thinkers (several here on this board) his opinion would translate as pro-Trump.

yea I've heard this garbage from him before, he is pro-Trump, he really is, however he wants to spin it. No I don't think it seeps into Dilbert cartoons necessarily though. I know his claims, they seem to me unprovable, and also unfalsifiable, as honestly neither here nor there, except that the guy likes Trump.

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Anyway, Dilbert thinks Biden is embarrassing and is surprised the Democrat machine is allowing him to go this far, given Biden fairly serious problems in speaking and campaigning.

Maybe they have less control of the process than all that. Maybe they want to lose.

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Dilbert says he has yet to meet a Biden supporter. That certainly rings true for this board. He says Warren, Bernie (the socialists) cannot beat Trump in a general election, and Joe biden is too much of a tired and worn out pol.

How does he know?

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But the Democratic party kingmakers are doing things like what bae posted, tamping down the Mayor Petes and Gabbards and etc.

way to dig your own graves, Dems.

They are definitely not clamping down on mayor Pete. It's Sanders they don't want. Gabbard, maybe there is something to them blacking out Gabbard. However, any honest analysis might admit that in many ways she digs her own grave, I mean it seems to me a way to lose Dem voters is to go constantly on Fox and Brietbart. And no I don't care "but Sanders went on Fox". He went on Fox like once. He isn't *constantly* running to right wing media to win the Dem primary. None of the others are. Gabbard doesn't seem to know how the game is played at all, at the very least run like a Dem in the Dem primary and then run to appeal to a wider base, or she doesn't want to play the game at all.
1-2-20, 3:43pm
ApatheticNoMore

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I think the logic behind Biden is precisely his ... blankness. He seems like a tabla rasa, sort of a political reset period in which relatively little happens.

only he's served in office for many years, he has a real record to go by (as do most others), he's not tabla rasa (that's more Mayor Pete who really has no record to look up). Biden is status quo though that's for sure.
1-2-20, 6:11pm
JaneV2.0

Scott Adams turns out to be quite the outspoken woman-hater, more's the pity.
I found the Dilbert cartoons pretty much on point.
I don't much care what he has to say re politics.
1-2-20, 6:29pm
kib

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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore

only he's served in office for many years, he has a real record to go by (as do most others), he's not tabla rasa (that's more Mayor Pete who really has no record to look up). Biden is status quo though that's for sure.

True, tabla rasa isn't really accurate as far as him per se, but he's just so ... lol, he's sort of equally objectionable to everyone, IMO. Like subway seats. The ultimate MEH candidate. When Obama was president I had to think hard to remember the veep's name. I certainly don't see him as a long term answer to anything, but as a period where people could calm down a little, where the vendetta election protocol has a chance to die - We have had four presidents in a row increasingly despised by half the population. Maybe someone grudgingly tolerated by all to diffuse the feud?

I personally would love a far left candidate to erase the taste of Trump, but I'm willing to meet in the middle. how about the Magas conceding that they had an Extreme consolation prize for tolerating eight years of Obama and joining me there?
1-2-20, 6:35pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

Scott Adams turns out to be quite the outspoken woman-hater, more's the pity.
I found the Dilbert cartoons pretty much on point.
I don't much care what he has to say re politics.

maybe i like him because I havent heard him before, but Dilbert wss sadly brilliant.

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