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DH and I got our Pfizer boosters today. I'm relieved!
Nice, rr. I'm glad you got the booster and peace of mind!
Saw on the news cases are down 40% from a few weeks ago but let's not celebrate. Cue the fear, doom and gloom. Be afraid, be very afraid. The sky is falling!
Found out that a custodian over at our elementary school tested positive. Going to be an interesting couple of days/weeks at work.
And if the person feels fine, and could still go to work, no problem. The endemic model is so much less disruptive than the pandemic model that enriches all the test kit companies by looking for problems where none exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
He does NOT feel fine and there are children at the school too young for vaccinations at this point in time. Some people CARE about others and want to limit their potential risk to others. No problem for him to stay away and work on his recover without endangering anyone else. I know it's not something you think about, but what a concept!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Maybe it's time to throw COVID parties. People can get together in a confined space with someone who is positive, and have a great time.
Isn't that grocery shopping without a mask?? ROFLOL. But what the heck - some folks will say - "I don't mask so don't care if I catch it OR pass it on!".Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Not funny, just sad.
The entire country has been in high or substantial risk of transmission for a couple months now. Covid is everywhere. Testing, contact tracing, and quarantining are all closing the barn door after the horse has left the barn. It's a huge waste of resources - like trying to control the common cold or the flu. Not gonna happen.
No reason not to do what one can to help both one's self and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
The time to help was when covid was discovered in Wuhan. We should have stopped all international travel like New Zealand did and at that point testing, contact tracing and quarantining would have worked. But instead we let people jet around the world and told them if they put any random piece of cloth over their faces it would be okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
There is ALWAYS time to be a help instead of a hindrance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Covid is like HPV now. You need a vaccine because it's so widespread if you're sexually active you're going to get it, and it can pass through the skin beyond the confines of a condom, just like covid can spread around the gaps on the sides or top of a mask (or through it - those covid particles are small - smaller than the particles that cause things like black lung disease in miners who wear masks, or asbestos related illnesses in people who wear masks while working with asbestos). Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
But I get that you don't want to feel powerless. You want a piece of theater to make yourself feel better - go for it. Just don't impose it on me.
More like I get that you are angry and selfish, and to support those feelings you need to strike out at anything that even hints at stepping beyond your own little self-circle and even the slightest inconvenience to yourself, or even thinking about helping others. Again, more prayers to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
The biggest drops in cases are in places like Florida with no mask mandates. The virus is going to run its course. Masks don't stop it.
Ultimately it will evolve because vaccines won't stop it either.
You can live the rest of your life in fear of it, or you can figure if you get it you'll develop some natural immunity to it. Either way it doesn't matter to the virus.
Yes, ultimately being the key here. I don't believe NOW is "ultimately".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
No fear of the virus here on my part, but you seem to have more fear of a simple little mask!
And one thing you are right about - mask or not, catch it or not, get sick or not, pass it to others or not - the virus doesn't care. Fortunately, most people DO!
Not fear, but distaste and hatred, and not just of the mask but of an overbearing government imposing it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - whether you believe it or not - I truly hope you can find some peace and happiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Human hubris = thinking you can control the virus or any other aspect of nature.
I read in the AARP magazine today that with the permafrost melting long dormant viruses buried in it are emerging and becoming active again. Nature has lots of surprises in store for us. Hold on to your seats and don't get your panties in a bunch or wet them. If you expend all your fear and loathing on covid what will you do when the big one comes and the money the government kept printing to prop up the economy during the shutdown hysteria isn't good anymore?
Well maybe you could burn the wheelbarrows full of currency to keep warm.
I agree, one can't control the virus or any other aspect of nature, but one can control how they respond to it - with distaste and hatred, or compassion, kindness and caring. It's a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Oh FFS. The best places in the country are places like the Bay Area where we haven’t had a fourth wave because there’s lots of vaccination and anyone that wants to go out in public wears a mask and if they want to eat in a restaurant they have to be vaccinated. Thankfully people like you with your ‘OH MUH FREEDUMB’ don’t have sway here. Move to a ****ing hotspot already and quit complaining. You may end up dead but at least you’ll die happy that you didn’t have to wear a damn mask on your deathbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Sadly, you’re probably right. Too much of the country is led by sociopaths that accept this as a given and are fine with people needlessly dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Anyone who thinks differently than you is a selfish sociopathic killer. Because you know what is best for everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
You seem really unhappy but don't worry, no one will patronizingly keep telling you they wish you peace because your griping is politically correct.
My brother was telling me his biology professor taught the class that we need to be exposed to bacteria (which masks interfere with). The prof said that we enter this world in a space located between where the mother poops and where the mother pees so we are bathed in a goodly amount of bacteria to give us a good start in life by priming our immune system.
All these 3rd hand anecdotes seemingly told through the most biased set of tellers. I mean I admit it's possible they are just hiring dumber and dumber people as professors today but ... maybe we aren't getting the full story.
There is a hygiene hypothesis but exposing children to normal, everyday germs is not the same as exposing large swaths of the population to a very contagious killer virus. These are two completely different things.
yea this is the hygiene hypothesis stretched to the breaking point :). That's why I'm thinking no real professor ... I'm going with the telephone hypothesis, something is being lost in these 3rd hand accounts.Quote:
There is a hygiene hypothesis but exposing children to normal, everyday germs is not the same as exposing large swaths of the population to a very contagious killer virus. These are two completely different things.
But if you make people wear masks all the time, you're limiting their exposure to the normal germs. You will be creating a generation of snowflakes that will melt at the first sundrop of an everyday virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
I'd rather have a kid with asthma because his environment was too clean than a parent who died because they contracted COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
A kid with asthma, increased risk of suicide and depression, germaphobia and anxiety, many side effects of the US covid approach.
Just this morning I heard on the news that due to masks last year people were not exposed to the flu and have much lower resistance to this year's flu, which is a variation on last year's with some changes due to evolution.
There are many unintended consequences to upending society for a virus with a 99% non-lethality rate.
I don't live in fear. I have a security system in my house covering all doors, windows and interior space around entrances, but it's never been armed when we're home. As far as Covid is concerned I'm vaccinated against Covid and the flu and shingles because it's silly not to take basic measures to protect yourself from whatever might be going around, and when out and about I wear a mask if the establishment I'm entering requires one, if they don't require it I won't. I don't feel it's my responsibility to protect others from something they can easily protect themselves against, if I did I'd probably never leave the house for fear of what could be.
If I lived in fear of Covid I'd probably not visit establishments which did not require whatever basic protective measures currently in vogue and look askance at anyone not exhibiting the same fear I felt, but that's no way to live.
I haven't quite understood the narrative that if you are prepared and act prudently you are "living in fear".Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
It's cold here today, so I fired up the woodstove. I had previously inspected and cleaned the chimney, am using properly seasoned wood (and measured that with my meter), I am burning at the correct temperature (and have redundant gauges), and have firefighting equipment standing by in case of a chimney fire. This doesn't mean I'm "living in fear" of a chimney fire, I'm just taking reasonable actions to avoid one.
My 66 year old friend passed today of Covid. She leaves her husband of 44 years, a newborn grandchild as well as other grandchildren and children.
Reports that it is over in Florida are greatly exaggerated. There are still many people in the hospitals and the ICU's are very full. Most hospitals are admitting fewer patients but there are no long lines of ambulances waiting to offload patients. That was a very frightening sight because some critical patients might not have made it because you just cannot get to everyone when it is that bad. They never actually declared a crisis mode here where they triaged who to save, but it was hard to believe at times such difficult decisions had to be made.
Her friends and family are all heartbroken. She died way too soon. Luckily they allowed her husband in towards the end when she was still concious and he spent her last few days by her side. She had very strong faith and i hope she has found her peace with her God.
Reports of patients during the height here having to say goodbyes on zoom were just awful.
So she is number ten I knew who died. My brother in laws sister was in her early sixties before the vaccines were out. I do know several of them were much older and had other health issues. But most were not obese disease riddled drinkers and smokers that haters like to point out are the only ones dying. Everyone deserved more than to die before their time surrounded by strangers
I'm so tired of people who wouldn't mask even during the height when we had a 20+% positivity. Of people not getting vaccinated and of people not wanting FDA approved medicines and demanding unproven and sometimes harmful medications and treatments because Dr Tucker Carlson and Dr Trump touted them. I am angry, sad and disgusted that a sweet very faithful and generous woman left earth before her natural time.
My condolences, flowerseverywhere, to you, the family and friends.
A lot of good people have died of this before their time; it's really an ongoing tragedy.
Flowers: I'm very sorry about your friend.
I visited the hospital for mom's elective knee surgery. Supposedly hospital had 10 covid patients, one of them in serious condition, ALL of them unvaccinated. Since I kept getting lost in that darned hospital (very confusing layout) who knows what covid I could have been exposed to wandering around critical care and other wrong places, but with 2 doses of vaccine (not 3 although they have opened up 3 for Pfizer to pretty much anyone who wants a 3rd dose now), it's only so much of a worry. Clearly we are not overwhelmed with covid now, elective surgeries going on.
Flowers, that is too bad about your friend. What was her reason for not getting vaccinated?