I don't believe I'm sick. I'm still testing every two days. Because I care about other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
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I don't believe I'm sick. I'm still testing every two days. Because I care about other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
You're changing the goalpost. Back in the summer you were "why would anyone get tested if they just had cold-type symptoms?" We have the resources. Everyone that had any indication that they might have gotten infected in P-town in July got tested. Mainly because they were gay men and we have a different relationship to public health and the health of others thanks to HIV. They were also all vaccinated. As a result what could have been a major spreader event turned into a nothing burger. If everyone else in the country gave a crap about other humans we could largely eradicate this. But we can't and won't because "muh freedumb". Instead of us acting like a first world country with a can do attitude history will see us as a sad cautionary tale of how not to handle a pandemic where the individual freedom of not wearing a little piece of cloth on one's face and not getting vaccinated took priority over protecting everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Canada's infection and death rate has been a fraction of ours. Unlike them we're going to continue to slog along with stupid high infection rates because muh freedumb. They should probably build a wall on their southern border. I've mentioned it before but it bears repeating again and again and again for everyone in the peanut gallery, when all of our health insurance premiums have tripled three years from now because covid, both acute and long, are still thriving here I'm going to tell all the "muh freedumb" folks to eff themselves. But hey, at least they didn't have to wear a god damn mask...
Well the mask does nothing compared to social distancing and Canada paid everyone $2000.00 a month so they could stay home and not have to go to work.
If we have so many resources we could have done that.
Our local news says the state has requested FEMA to help with hospital staffing due to a big rise of cases. The figures they offered were that 80 percent of the adult population has recieved at least one Covid shot, and 80% of the hospitalized Covid cases are unvaccinated people.
I think Yppej secretly made a trip to Marin County California. Our mask mandate ended yesterday because we've had several weeks of low case counts (average of 10 per day per 100,000 population for the last week), really high vax rates (over 80% of total population/95% of eligible population) and only 1 current hospitalization. I went to safeway today for a few things and everyone was still wearing a mask except one middle aged woman...
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I went to safeway today for a few things and everyone was still wearing a mask except one middle aged woman...
I don't know if mask mandates will ever actually end here, it's just part of life at this point, there is no end goal, there is no goal, there never has been (I mean there wasn't even a goal of avoiding hospital overwhelm in the bad old days of the pandemic, or else maybe it would have happened) and there is no goal now either.
Actually yesterday was city election day so after work I found a bunch of politicians hanging around my polling place and I lobbied them on my mask issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
One was concerned about his uncle undergoing chemo and I told him about preventive prophylactic covid treatments as discussed in this article:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...tober-24-2021/
Dr. Gottlieb says with this treatment no one needs to die of covid anymore. The vulnerable can get it, and everyone else can get vaccinated.
Mandate or no mandate, I'm still wearing my mask out into the general public - and I'm not the only one! :)
Check out the picture in this article. (I was trying to cut and paste it but couldn't figure it out.)
https://www.ledgertranscript.com/COV...2#lg=1&slide=0
It's a thing of beauty - I'll do me and you do you when it comes to masks. This is why I want to move to New Hampshire someday.
Apparently 50% of the global adult population has received at least one dose of vaccine. That that has happened in less than a year is a remarkable accomplishment. Hopefully that pace will continue.
Hooray! I wonder how much it's helped along by countries with huge populations and their own vaccines and vaccination programs like China. India also has it's own vaccine but I don't know how fast distribution is going there. But hooray regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
A customer was saying he has an iffy employment situation as he does not want to get vaccinated. If his union does not get the mandate stopped he will quit and go elsewhere. His daughter-in-law might drop out of community college rather than get the shot.
There is still a lot of vaccine hesitancy and resistance and I don't see mandates getting us to herd immunity. Better to accept that covid is endemic and live with it.
My neighbors 46 year old son just died of the corona virus. Two children 11 and seven. The parents look like they have aged twenty years and they look like beaten dogs with their heads down when they bring the dog out. I don't know the circumstances and of course will not ask, but he looked like a physically fit guy when I saw him a few months ago.
He lived in Tampa in the anti science anti mask freedumb state of Florida .
My dental hygienist told me when she went to take her 11 year old to get vaccinated there were protesters screaming at her that they were going to inject her daughter with fetus materials and they were unsafe. Also, that God would take care of her. To be honest, if that is the solution he or she has not done too great of a job so far.
My condolences to your neighbors and his family. Any age is too young to lose a father or a child.
Flowers, that’s so sad. My friend’s daughter said she was going to quit college if she had to be vaccinated. In the end she got the vaccine and we were all happy because she has 3 kids that need her.
I wonder how many of those protestors are evangelical "Christians"? They have given over their ability to think for themselves to others.
We were just told our neighbor had a breakthru case. Thankfully it was mild. Again, way too close.
I can't get my head around why there has to be such drama and complication over vaccination issues. I am closing in on six months since second Pfizer vaccine and haven't yet scheduled the booster. Our state has opened up boosters to all adults. I keep wondering if we will be advised to keep getting them every six months so I do understand suspicions about their diminishing effectiveness.
Some people in the Biden administration have quit over the push to get everyone boosted before the FDA could determine the efficacy of this. It's politics over science.
Let's do something, anything - any random cloth face covering, unauthorized boosters, throw trillions of dollars in stimulus around. We must be seen to be doing something even if it's not the right thing! Let's not think through the inflationary or other ramifications. Act first, think later!
Or if you wait until all the data is in, it's too late. Definitely the case with a fast moving virus. So it's the states pushing vaccination faster the the Fed gov at this point.
And the CDC finally admits herd immunity won't work:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...d=winp1taskbar
Now how many months will it take until my Board of Health accepts this reality? Or will they never, and want us to wear masks forever (my guess)? I already gave them an article on this at their last meeting but I doubt they will read it. They kept postponing voting on minutes because one member couldn't even get around to reading them. Then the minutes had errors in them - like I said "per pupil expenditure" and they wrote "people expenditure" which made zero sense.
Very frustrating dealing with these people and they have so much power over me.
Heard on NPR this morning that public health officials are losing more and more credibility because of the nonstop restrictions and when a new variant or a new virus arises no one will pay any attention to them.
I tend to think that media in general is the cause of all the mixed messages.
Here is interesting information from two sources: I'm not going anti-vaxxer on the basis of these articles, but I like to read both sides...Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
From Yahoo on why high vaccination rate states are experiencing big spikes (like Vermont). https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-covid...204548703.html
And from one of the people I really like to read, Charles Eisenstein, who it seems is an anti-vaxxer. Just another POV, FWIW. He is a very lucid writer on most topics. Here, he speaks with an anti-pharma bias but still interesting. https://charleseisenstein.substack.c...nts-of-refusal
Yppej, Thankyou for posting the link to the LA Times article by Melissa Healy. I gather from the article that a CDC advisory panel had a discussion about the usefulness of "herd immunity" as a goal. As Dr Jones argued, it may not be achievable that throughout the United States there would be NO MORE transmission of COVID once a threshold of vaccination, such as 75% or 80%, is reached.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I think the goal of "community immunity" would be more useful. Clearly (for a time) a specific community can go for weeks without a COVID death, or a COVID hospitalization, or even one new positive test... but this would not constitute "herd immunity" uniformly from sea to shining sea. Are people in northern Vermont members of the same herd as the folks in Ft Lauderdale FL, or Detroit MI, or where-ever?
There is uncertainty due to new COVID variants, such as Delta. The fact of "breakthrough" infections in people who have been vaccinated suggests that immunity is waning.
Last I saw, about 59% of Americans are fully vaccinated.
This virus is going to stick with us for a long, long time. - Ali Mokdad, Professor of Health Metrics, University of Washington (quoted in an article written by Carla Johnson for AP 11/11/2021)
but I'm not sure what it means, but hey here's the media with another panic article that won't explain it either (but made you click!). I mean it could be breakthrough infections, but it could be that more than 72% vaccination isn't actually a very high vaccination rate (but, but, it's "relatively" high - oh I see nature grades on a curve does it). I mean was anyone ever saying 70 something % would be enough.Quote:
From Yahoo on why high vaccination rate states are experiencing big spikes (like Vermont). https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-covid...204548703.html
I think 70% got in people's minds because Biden wanted 70% of eligible people (adults) to have one dose by the Fourth of July. Then in came 80%, and now 80% isn't stopping infections.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Even if a person suffers a break-through infection, they're less likely to spread it if their droplets are contained by a mask--even less if their potential contact is also wearing one.
Minimally less likely if it is any random face cloth covering. I recommended to my Board of Health that they use ARPA funds to buy hazmat suits for the nervous and let the rest of us go about our lives normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
A coworker of mine was allowed into the hospital against protocols in spring 2020 to see his mother dying of covid but given a hazmat suit to wear. Despite having recently had chemo he did not catch covid. If you want something that really works, the hazmat suit is the way to go, and now that winter is coming it won't be so burdensome to wear one.
I have started the process of looking for another town to live in where I can be free. This likely will not happen for a few years, due to a variety of factors (crazy housing market, DS still at home and any change is difficult for him, want to stay near parents so long as they are living in their home) but if things change unexpectedly I want to have my research done and be ready to move sooner rather than later.
So far I have ruled two towns out because they make you wear masks in the library although their websites don't say this. The search continues.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Interesting second article Catherine. I have seen a lot of groupthink in the pandemic, and not a lot of critical thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
This is a truly wonderful article:
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/...han-you-wanted
Yes, we mentioned the Egyptian study being debunked some time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I have finished calling different libraries to see if they require masks and visiting libraries, and have selected a town I want to move to if an opportunity comes my way. Surprisingly I found fewer restrictions in the places I checked in Massachusetts than I did in either New Hampshire or Vermont.
Also, if you check PubMed there seems to be legitimate research going on that suggests ivermectin has some antiviral properties. The phrase “COVID-19” is used in some of those abstracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Fun fact - ivermectin kills mosquitos. As in, if you have recently been wormed with ivermectin and a mosquito bites you - she will die.
i know this because when my ds was in school he worked on a paper modeling the effects on malaria transmission of different distributions of wormer in the human populations of rural African villages.
carry on.
That is interesting. My dog takes Ivermectin for Heartworm control. So Ivermectin kills larvae stage creatures as well as the vector (mosquito) of theQuote:
Originally Posted by Chicken lady
heartworm? Hunh.
I went to four places this week where employees were not wearing masks. Maybe employers are finally starting to get that with a labor shortage you need to offer people some bodily autonomy if you want them to work for you.
Mental health resources for covid anxiety and worse:
https://mhanational.org/covid19
Some of you may find this helpful.
What is the effect of government covid mandates?
A decline in support for childhood vaccinations of all kinds:
https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...d-vaccinations
A decline in support for flu shots:
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-n...180651057.html
Biden's support is even down among black voters due to mandates:
https://morningconsult.com/2021/09/2...ndate-polling/
Being heavy handed in a country founded on principles of freedom is not the way to go.
Several counties in my state have reinstated mask mandates for all indoor public places due to hospitals at or near capacity. Exceptions include businesses that require vaccinaiton for both employees and clients. I listened to parts for the debate for my county. One doctor testified that one of his patients who had brain surgery was required to recover in the hallway due to ICU capacities, and FEMA and other agencies are assisting due to hospital staff shortages.
The first county to institute the mandate in mid-October and has seen a significant decrease in hospital cases since. That was used as a primary arguement for other counties, though there was some discussion about whether the decrease was cause and effect, or coincidental. It was approved and will go into effect this week here. It sounds like the mandates will remain in effect until hospital capacities are more manageable. First offenses will just receive a citation.