Government Coup

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Originally Posted by Alan

I knew an open minded fellow such as yourself would at least consider it now that election officials in Fulton County have admitted their malfeasance, 5 years after the fact.

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To be honest, I really don't know much about the malfeasance version to say it's wrong, but it's the first I've heard of it and there's always which source is the most reliable. Because Trump has been on a revenge tour to virtually erase any indication he lost the election or may have tried to rig it, including pardoning rioters whom waned to hang Pence, I may be seeing a same pattern that others are seeing and jumping to conclusions. I'm glad you considered that view point as well.

Edit to add: Hasn't this already been investigated? Since the DOJ now works for Trump, I suppose the outcome could be different.

anyone else feel it is dangerous to speak freely now?

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Originally Posted by Tybee

anyone else feel it is dangerous to speak freely now?

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Not yet.

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Originally Posted by rosarugosa

Not yet.

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I take some reassurance from that, Rosa, here goes:

ICE agents shatter window, leave 1-month-old baby, mother in car after Portland arrest

I am afraid to drive to the city to see my grandchildren. I am afraid for their safety every day.

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Originally Posted by Tybee

anyone else feel it is dangerous to speak freely now?

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I've not seen any unusual presence of ICE here, which is sort of surprising since Denver is sort of a sanctuary city and has been on Trump's blue state revenge tour. I have friends who have attended rallies without any problems other than the usual middle finger salutes. Here in the burbs I'm not seeing day workers outside Home Depot like I used to. If I put a Dump Trump or No King bumper sticker on my car, I'd expect a high probably someone would do some vandalizing in a parking area, and I sure wouldn't put a sign in my yard.

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Originally Posted by Rogar

I've not seen any unusual presence of ICE here, which is sort of surprising since Denver is sort of a sanctuary city and has been on Trump's blue state revenge tour. I have friends who have attended rallies without any problems other than the usual middle finger salutes. Here in the burbs I'm not seeing day workers outside Home Depot like I used to. If I put a Dump Trump or No King bumper sticker on my car, I'd expect a high probably someone would do some vandalizing in a parking area, and I sure wouldn't put a sign in my yard.

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That's good to hear. I read a theory last night that they were occupying Minnesota so as to stage invasion of Canada. Maine would fit into that theory as well.

ICE has been around St.Louis for months in random sightings. Their office is in an old unused federal building downtown next to the Post Office. From what I can tell, St. Louis is a Sanctuary city “light” in that the mayor in her eagerness to play with the Big Kid Sanc Cities declared it friendly to immigrants, but I’m not aware of any formal declaration by the police department that they don’t cooperate with the feds in apprehending and turning over immigrant lawbreakers. The police department here does not report to the mayor and there is often friction.

Cynics have opined that there won’t be extreme ICE shenanigans here because Missouri is a strong 2A state with a Stand Your Ground gun support law, so ICE will never know what’s on the other side of a front door they’re knocking down. I thought this was a silly but interesting take.

My former neighborhood, true to form,put out a call for volunteers to harass ICE and published the vigilante’s manifesto on the Neighborhood‘s Facebook page.

I think they are occupying Minneapolis, are starting to occupy Portland, and I have heard they are moving next to Boston, with that last being a rumor. But Minneapolis is literally under siege and it has started in Portland. Susan Collins arrested clergyman yesterday for praying outside her office in Portland.

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Originally Posted by Tybee

anyone else feel it is dangerous to speak freely now?

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Yes. I have received cowardly threats over the past several years for my work in the community, and in the state legislature.

I don't give a shit though. If a person with my level of power and privilege gets cowed, well, what does that mean for everyone else? So I proceed.

Thank you,,Bae,