If they cut social security and medicare

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and if there’s so many of these illegal workers paying into Social Security accounts that are not their own, what do the citizens think who see this money coming into their account and it’s not their contributions? I can’t grab that. Also, you would think there are ways to run software to identify some of these accounts that are reporting to full-time jobs. Or maybe the false documents are mostly on dead people and those Social Security contributions are going into dead people’s accounts, never to be claimed.

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Well, lots of people I know don't check their SS accounts. All of my BILs were surprised to know they COULD check their SS accounts prior to actually filing, and would have had no idea how much they had, or had not, paid in. People who work low-level jobs and job-hop a lot aren't always good at tracking financial data. So there's that, in some cases. Drawing benefits would mean you know what the SS# you are working under actually IS. From what I've heard, many of the workers with illegal papers don't actually HAVE the papers, those are held by the people who bring them in and have them working. That's probably more under the human trafficking's portion of illegal immigration, though, rather than those who come here voluntarily and mostly on their own.

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Many foreign nationals, however, enter the country legally every day on valid work or travel visas, and end up overstaying for a variety of reasons. But that’s not a violation of federal criminal law – it’s a civil violation that gets handled in immigration court proceedings."

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Ah, so THAT'S why Musk isn't considered a "criminal" then.

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Originally Posted by Tybee

Actually, under your argument, only some unauthorized immigrants are criminals. To enter illegally is considered a crime. If they entered legally and overstayed, which according to a 2006 study was 45% of this population, then it is a civil and not a criminal matter:

"[COLOR=var(--appr-color-text-primary)]Many foreign nationals, however, enter the country legally every day on valid work or travel visas, and end up overstaying for a variety of reasons.[/COLOR][COLOR=var(--appr-color-text-primary)]But that’s not a violation of federal criminal law – it’s a civil violation that gets handled in immigration court proceedings."[/COLOR]

Are undocumented immigrants committing a crime? Not necessarily | CNN Politics

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I call this a distinction without a difference. But OK, it is a misdemeanor in civil court and not a criminal court act.

Once those staying in the U.S. attempt to work, seems to me they are acting illegally by participating in identity theft or using other falsified work papers, breaking federal laws. Or they are working under the table, breaking tax laws by not reporting their income. And etc.

I was horrified to learn that Trump is revoking legal status to 240,000 Ukranian immigrants:

Trump plans to revoke legal status of Ukrainians who fled to US, sources say (usatoday.com)

I was just reading on Wallstreetbets about a lawyer who works with Ukranian clients who are in this group and says they are investing in the US, starting successful businesses, etc., and he can't understand why this is happening.

Realistically, for those who are financially and otherwise able to, there is no real reason to remain in the United States long term. For those who were able to buy into real estate some time ago and enjoy the run up over the last several years, numerous developing countries offer retirement visas, and some of these visas (not in every country, though, know your foreign immigration laws!) can lead to the increased human rights of a passport. If for no other reason, why exactly would anyone work against themselves by subjecting themselves to the cost and access and illegal claims denial issues which are the hallmark of US health care and substandard United States citizenship when such easier access to affordable health care is available in numerous other countries, many of these countries offering much saner costs of livings in other areas, too? For what purpose, for what gain would a person continue to subject themselves to this?

If you need permission to flee - you have mine. I consider fleeing as this point the hallmark of an adult - the ability to see things as they really are and make the necessary cold blooded business decisions in response. Best wishes to all as we navigate the unacceptable utter nightmare that the United States has become. Rob

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Originally Posted by Tybee

I was horrified to learn that Trump is revoking legal status to 240,000 Ukranian immigrants:

Trump plans to revoke legal status of Ukrainians who fled to US, sources say (usatoday.com)

I was just reading on Wallstreetbets about a lawyer who works with Ukranian clients who are in this group and says they are investing in the US, starting successful businesses, etc., and he can't understand why this is happening.

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I researched this today and discovered that there is indeed a plan to revoke legal status for approximately 1.8 million migrants who entered the country in the last several years under a previous administration's parole program, although I can't find a reference to Ukranians in particular outside the USA Today piece or other sites which simply picked it up and ran with it without context or additional reporting.

The current administration says the story you linked to is fake news. Perhaps that's because the story is framed in such a way to imply that Ukranians are being singled out, making it an obvious propaganda piece, or perhaps not. I guess time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Alan

I researched this today and discovered that there is indeed a plan to revoke legal status for approximately 1.8 million migrants who entered the country in the last several years under a previous administration's parole program, although I can't find a reference to Ukranians in particular outside the USA Today piece or other sites which simply picked it up and ran with it without context or additional reporting.

The current administration says the story you linked to is fake news. Perhaps that's because the story is framed in such a way to imply that Ukranians are being singled out, making it an obvious propaganda piece, or perhaps not. I guess time will tell.

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Here's another story about it.

Trump plans to revoke legal status for hundreds of thousands Ukrainians who fled Russian invasion (msn.com)

It contains what you said, that Leavitt claims this is fake news. But she is the person who said that reporters were "lying" because they called the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of Mexico and not the Gulf of America.

It showed up in a number of main stream media sources when I did a search. The common impression I got was that it is a threat or he's considering it, but not necessary a sure thing. Could just be another of the many trump bluffs going around? That's how he works.

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It showed up in a number of main stream media sources when I did a search. The common impression I got was that it is a threat or he's considering it, but not necessary a sure thing. Could just be another of the many trump bluffs going around? That's how he works.

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yes, much bluffing and posturing, tools in the chaos kit. It is best to “choose reality” as Dr. John Delony would advise, and look at what did actually take place rather than awfulizing about what COULD happen because there is enough reality to give worry.

okay---thing is---we need ta be selective on who is admitted to the USA. Just like up there in Canada, where no sane person would want to live, anyway(it's too cold) . But yeah--I'm 100% with Ann Coulter--NO provisional immigrant who commits a felony should be tolerated! Who needs em? we already GOT enough criminals! See? Try to UN-brainwash yourself from that libtard stuff. Hope that helps you some.

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yeah, I don't understand that either. When you were at the library, did you pay into SS?

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they are discussing WEP over at Mr.Money Mustache forums and someone who sounds knowledgeable says the elimination of WEP will add 1% to the burden of Social Security payout, accelerating the emptying of that fund.

Congress last term voted for this. I don’t know why. The thought processes of our financial genius overlords in Congress continue to mystify me.
Perhaps those Congress people don’t like Social Security and want to be rid of it altogether.