Why NOT to vote Republican

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Originally Posted by jp1

People like Alan ....

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Who are those people? Are you referring to the great unwashed, the basket of deplorables, the roaches voting for Raid, the evil opposition party who've made up the word inflation in order to scare the good folks? Or are they part of one of the other groups your favorite media outlets have created and told us about lately, while simultaneously providing you with talking points?

Personally, I think that if you're going to vilify election deniers, you should include all of them, that is if you'd like to be considered credible. Of course, you should feel free to think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Alan

Oh, I can easily question the character of most politicians, I'm more interested in your claim that Democracy is at stake by one particular politician questioning election results.

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Did you miss the fact that there are 291 asshole election deniers on the ballot this week? It wasn’t just sad sack trump. It was half of his ugly party. And now half the candidates from his party question election results without any basis other than ‘waaaa. I lost so it just be fraud.’

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

I think most of them would identify more as conservative than Republican, but some I consider worth reading or listening to would include:

Matthew Continetti

Thomas Sowell

Alexandra DeSanctis

Charles CW Cooke

Jonah Goldberg

David French

George Will

Michael Brendan Dougherty

Kevin Williamson

Jim Geraghty

Madeleine Kearns

Yuval Levin

Ramesh Ponnuru

Andrew McCarthy

The late Sir Roger Scruton

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So, is there anyone on this list that has even the vaguest sway in the current republican party? Or is it just a masturbation list put together by some college young republican group 45 years ago?

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

Yes. I’m one of those doe-eyed innocents who can’t grasp how meddling in the opposing party’s primaries to assist people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy is the way to stop the people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy. A naïf like me might come to conclude that the meddlers don’t believe their own rhetoric.

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goobledegook

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Originally Posted by jp1

Did you miss the fact that there are 291 asshole election deniers on the ballot this week? It wasn’t just sad sack trump. It was half of his ugly party. And now half the candidates from his party question election results without any basis other than ‘waaaa. I lost so it just be fraud.’

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The morality of the election deniers is despicable and will be the over riding issue in my election choices for some time to come. It is not only dishonest, but a refusal to accept the constitutional democratic election process and the peaceful transfer of power. There are no recent Democrat activities that even come close to disrupting whatever form of democracy we think we have. And there can be no further trust for the same people not promoting or amplifying other false conspiracy theories in the future, for their own greed of power. And that's not to mention the hate and violence their inspired in their more radical followers.

Everything else is diminished by that and quibbling over details.

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Originally Posted by Rogar

The morality of the election deniers is despicable and will be the over riding issue in my election choices for some time to come. It is not only dishonest, but a refusal to accept the constitutional democratic election process and the peaceful transfer of power. There are no recent Democrat activities that even come close to disrupting whatever form of democracy we think we have. And there can be no further trust for the same people not promoting or amplifying other false conspiracy theories in the future, for their own greed of power. And that's not to mention the hate and violence their inspired in their more radical followers.

Everything else is diminished by that and quibbling over details.

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well said.

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

goobledegook

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I’ll put it in simpler terms. If you cry wolf while at the same time feeding it tidbits, people will wonder how serious you are about the danger.

If you think supporting these dangerous people against more traditional Republican candidates is part of a brilliant game of five-dimensional chess, how stupid will it look if some of them win and publicly thank you for the help?

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Originally Posted by jp1

So, is there anyone on this list that has even the vaguest sway in the current republican party? Or is it just a masturbation list put together by some college young republican group 45 years ago?

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Classy as always.

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Originally Posted by jp1

So, is there anyone on this list that has even the vaguest sway in the current republican party? Or is it just a masturbation list put together by some college young republican group 45 years ago?

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One thing I like about this list, and it has a few names on it that I pay attention to, is that the ones I know and read or listen to are quite a bit younger than I am.

i’ve always liked Jonah Goldberg, but I’ve stepped away from reading anything of his in recent years. I tried his podcast and that is not good because he is not a speaker, he is a writer. Yet, I recently heard him on an interactive podcast and in that scenario he is good in presenting his ideas and arguments.

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Yes. I’m one of those doe-eyed innocents who can’t grasp how meddling in the opposing party’s primaries to assist people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy is the way to stop the people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy. A naïf like me might come to conclude that the meddlers don’t believe their own rhetoric.

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but basic logic would tend to conclude that whether or not the Dem party believes it's rhetoric has no bearing on whether it's rhetoric/arguments are true or not. They could be making 100% of the argument disingenuously and they could still be true statements. I mean I can see Trump and his movement as a problem, election denial as a problem, the increasing undemocratic electoral system as a problem AND Dems as a poor opposition party. Both can be true. So I'm not sure what point is even being made or what points one thinks one is scoring.