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The critical illness of my son's father-in-law has brought this home and made me insist my husband get a booster last week.
He is back from the hospital, and the word my son used is "maimed." He is on oxygen and when he got up to go to the bathroom a couple of days, his saturation went into the 50's. My son said standing up is a great challenge.
As someone who has been through a similar life threatening illness with respiratory failure, and I was actually sicker than my son's fil, I have no idea why anyone would turn down a vaccine or a booster if offered. He may lose his job, his house, and he is not out of the wood yet as far as his life goes, either.
Their insanity continues; everything is the fault of the doctors, who "refused to treat them" and the hospital, who "kicked him out and sent him home," even though they said the hospital was doing nothing for them and asked to bring him home. They continue to put others at risk.
My husband was in the evil pharma out to make endless profit camp, and was not going to get a booster. I told him he owed it to his granddaughter, and someone had to model good behavior, and take whatever risk there might be in the booster so that she did not get exposed to the virus again, as she is too little to get the vaccine.
I don't know, I am out of patience with people saying, oh, people are too fearful--I tried to get info on omicron and the only thing I could find not behind a paywall was Fox, and they were telling people, "oh this is all about fear," and I think that is part of the problem, as my son's in-laws spent months telling us they weren't afraid, it was all exaggerated, if they got it it would be no worse than the flu, etc.
No one in the US has died from omicron. Seven people have died of it in the UK. It is not like Alpha or Delta.
Fun Horse Fact Of The Day: A horse's center of gravity is slightly above and
behind the elbow.
And people do die from the flu even when vaccinated. It is a complex process to decide on what "varieties" to include in each yearly shot. I have asthma and can easily be thrown into an attack. The doctor has given me the "people die from asthma" lecture and I am trained to know when to seek emergency room help. Have only needed it once. I get all the shots I can as soon as possible.
I no longer respond to people who promote, regurgitate or amplify gross Covid misinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Independent researchers who do not receive their funding from the pharma cartel, including researchers in other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by boss mare
Jep, I think that Kennedy book is getting to you:)
Long before I read the Kennedy book I agreed with the World Health Organization that Americans who are not in high risk categories should not be getting boosted.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
I'm hardly a Pharma booster, and I recognize that when money comes in the door, objectivity is one of its first casualties, but I'm not willing to play Russian roulette with whatever life I have left.
One thing I suspect, if you'd have left it up to the government to develop vaccines within their institutions there would still be delays. I lost track of any initiatives the Universities had to develop one, but they all must have been substandard. Profit was probably part of the incentive to develop any vaccine at all. That pretty much leaves big pharma.
Decisions are being made based not on getting everyone vaccinated so we can drive covid into endemicity and cut down on all the variants, but on pharma profits. Boosters will not change the trajectory of the disease. Initial shots will. But instead of initial shots going out to everyone first we are seeing people who already have a decent level of protection get boosted because they live in rich countries that can pay pharma's high prices.
Remember when we were told take any vaccine you can get? That included J&J at 75% efficacy. I got Moderna at 95% efficacy. Now my Moderna has maybe waned to 75%. I'm still good. People with 0% in the Third World are not.
Crazyiness.
I agree. Absolutely crazy how we let big pharma prolong this pandemic. The government funded Warp Speed and could force them to share their formulas with drug makers in poor countries but the Feds who are in bed with the industry and its PIs refuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Both Cory booker and Liz Warren announced today that they have breakthrough cases. Thankfully both are fully vaxxed and boosted so they are having relatively mild cases. I didn’t know that warren’s older brother died of covid back in the first wave in the spring of 2020.
I am praying for them both; these breakthrough cases are alarming.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I saw Trump toeing the thankless middle ground, talking about the benefit of vaccines and stating he got a booster. The right booed him and the left will still not give him any credit.
I’m still hoping Trump will receive the credit for his role in the insurrection.
I don't mind giving Trump some credit for Warp Speed. But giving Trump some credit for coming out for boosters when the whole Trump movement is why there is so much opposition to the vaccine to begin with is what: better too little, too late, than never?
I mean the whole game of people like Trump is to play both sides, for and against the vaccine etc. (and p.s. covid was never a threat to anyone to begin with so why are we vaxxing against this non-threat again?), slippery and impossible to pin down. But sure maybe some get vaccinated because of this, some have already died due to Trump and antivax propaganda.
If Fauci suddenly disappeared, I can't see any of the messaging changing. Our local health officials are on board with the common recommendations, as are the talking heads on TV that represent various agencies and authorities. I occasionally check in on the This Week in Virology that includes respected virology experts in academics. If Fauci were suddenly replaced, there would just be a new whipping boy. He's not the only respectable authority trying to help us out of this and many are not associated with the CDC, NIH, or who ever else might be on Bill Gates payroll.
I'm trying to get past Trump, but do hope he has some karma payback coming.
Fauci is a bully who has destroyed the careers of anyone who dared cross him or question his unethical experiments including on 3 day old babies who could not give consent and who were in the foster care system so their parents could not give consent, on mothers and babies subjected to horrific experiments in Uganda, on defenseless beagles in North Africa, and the list goes on. I have a feeling that if he were removed the pall of fear would be lifted and whistleblowers would come forward just like happened in the Soviet Union after Stalin died.
For now we have to rely on information from other countries like New Zealand which reported a vaccine death in a young man who given his age probably would never have died of covid. I love my country but New Zealand sure looks good about now.
You might have had some time to reflect during their 90 day lock down, if the vaccines didn't get you first. Fauci is everywhere. Have you checked on that unusual shadow in your closet at night.
Its biggest city Auckland has been in lockdown for over 90 days, although some measures were eased recently.
"The hard truth is that Delta is here and not going away, but New Zealand is well set to tackle it because of our high vaccination rates and our latest safety measures including the traffic light system and Vaccine Pass," Ardern said in a statement.
There's no evidence Dr. Fauci had anything to do with the beagle experiments, other than his association with the NIH ;
'Research conducted on behalf of NIAID is funded in large part through annual funds allocated by Congress and the president, though direct projects may be signed off on by various leaders within NIH. However, there is no evidence that the grant was personally approved by Fauci and there is no mention of him in the FOIA documentation. All that we can definitively say is that at least some of the money came from NIH." (Snopes)
I suspect most of the anti-Fauci stuff found on line is similarly sketchy, but I'm not interested in pursuing it further.
Yppej's amplification and promotion of misinformation and agitprop is quite helpful for the rest of us. It's hard to imagine normal people being this vile, misinformed, deliberately disruptive, or deranged, so it is a useful touchstone.Quote:
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If you look at what has been happening to public health officials nationwide, well, you'd see Yppej's words for what they are. Shame, shame, shame.
I have been following the American singer/ songwriter Amanda Palmer on FB where she is in New Zealand. She was on tour and got stuck there in 2020 . She describes it as very hard with their lockdowns. I don’t think you would be happy there either. Maybe follow her an FB and read what it’s likeQuote:
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The buck stops with the boss. What did actions did he take against the beagles researchers when he found out?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Compare that to the actions he took against those who pointed out the emperor had no clothes after he killed thousands of people with high doses of AZT, including asymptomatic people. AZT doses were so toxic chemo patients didn't receive it for more than a couple weeks. The high death counts from AIDS were inflated by healthy people dying prematurely because the cure was deadlier than the disease, but those who pointed this out were shunned and lost their grants and, unless they were tenured at a university, their jobs. The beagle torturers did not.
Now we repeat the cycle with the promotion of toxic remdesivir for covid-19 instead of safer, cheaper, non patented medications.
The jury is in on the best approach to covid:
US deaths per million - 2,418.09
Sweden deaths per million - 1,476.94
Fauci has said that his death threats and threats of violence have increased since RFK Jr.'s book. I suspect there is an element among RFK Jr.'s subscribers and Fox that extends into, and fuels the anti science movement. And not to mention threats to other health officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I understand many of RFK Jr's family are distancing themselves from him due to his anti science stance. He's not just anti Fauci but also your basic overall anti-vaxxer.
Finland - 270Quote:
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Norway - 225
I see Japan has not caught the omicron wave because it has kept its borders largely closed.
Fauci has been threatened. By contrast, the president of Haiti actually was assassinated by people who didn't like that he would not kowtow to the global world order. Some see a connection to his opposition to covid vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
ETA: The growing disgust with Fauci could also be the result of increasing coverage of his lies about having funded the engineering of a virus that has killed millions worldwide by funding gain of function studies in a Wuhan lab that didn't have proper safety protocols to prevent the virus from spreading into the community. I know many Republicans have brought this up including physicians like Rand Paul and Dr. Oz.
Dr. Yppej, as usual, uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp posts — for support rather than illumination. I would fail them from any data analysis course I've ever taught.Quote:
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But, if one wants to cherry pick, without any context or delving into sample differences, hey:
Deaths per million:
San Juan County, WA 0
Vermont 729
Hawaii 757
Maine 1088
Utah 1166
Alaska 1251
Washington 1283
Oregon 1318
New Hampshire 1347
Mississippi 3490
Ah, the leaders in medicals fields. Rand Paul doesn't even deserve comment. He's just a politician.Quote:
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A study by the British Medical Journal in 2014 concluded that less than half the claims made on The Dr. Oz Show were backed by "some" evidence, and that fell to a third when the threshold was raised to "believable" evidence.
Right out of the nutty right-wing blogosphere, brought to us by Yppej yet again.Quote:
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Taking bets on how long it takes for the Mengele comparison to make it through those neurons into the keyboard...
Rand is the only politician I give money to. But his clear grandstanding for political points in theQuote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
whole “gain of function” debate did not endear him to me. Gain of function is a very technical concept and I accept that some scientists think it was not in play in Wuhan in the case of
covid. I don’t really care about “ gain of function” and who is right in that debate.
What that whole debate brought up to me was, the United States is actively involved in funding research in China. HUNH?
US taxpayers are funding viral research in China? WHAT?
We’re participating in that particular Wuhan lab research. HUNH?
umm, Well how about that. Like, Maybe we should reevaluate all of that.
BBC's reality check.Quote:
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https://www.bbc.com/news/57932699
Mississippi has the highest rate of obesity in the nation. Research shows that covid-19 stores itself in fat cells and attacks surrounding tissues. That is why obese people are disproportionately affected by it.Quote:
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Advanced age also correlates to bad outcomes. Utah and Alaska have very young populations compared to the rest of the country.
There are many factors in covid deaths, but mask wearing does not correlate to deaths.
Covid death rates by state, greatest to least, N = never had a state mask mandate; Y = did at least some of the time:
Mississippi - N
Alabama - N
New Jersey - Y
Louisiana - Y
Arizona - N
Oklahoma - N
New York - Y
Arkansas - Y
Georgia - N
Florida - N
Massachusetts - Y
West Virginia - Y
Rhode Island - Y
South Carolina - N
Michigan - Y
South Dakota - N
Pennsylvania - Y
Indiana - N
Montana - N
Nevada - Y
North Dakota - N
New Mexico - Y
Tennessee - N
Kentucky - N
Wyoming - N
Texas - N
Missouri - N
Connecticut - Y
Do you see the pattern? There isn't one.
I see a very clear pattern in your method of "discussion", yes.Quote:
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I suspect vaccination rates and possibly social behavior overshadow most everything else, but it's not worth my time to look it up. It's pretty much a given in the pandemic of the unvaccinated.
Agreed that vaccinations are the solution, not masks. The focus on masks is a distraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
One article I read today said that wearing a cloth mask for omicron is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.