Sounds like a technical multivariant analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
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Sounds like a technical multivariant analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
It is from a hospital industry magazine, and quotes officials from the World Health Organization, Ontario's Science Advisory Group, and the University of Oxford. But hey, people in the rest of the world don't know anything. Americans should just sit like sheeple and believe everything their government tells them. American exceptionalism is grand, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...perts-say.html
On my last few days of looking at news and I see that the internet now has people convinced that Pfizer's newly-approved antiviral is really just amped up Ivermectin.
Reality check on what I said? You mean, the sentence “…yes It did contribute some funds “Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
where “it “is the United States.
How does this dispute what I said?
Hasn’t the WHO been at odds in some aspects of Covid information with the CDC? That doesn’t make them any more “right “or “wrong” or embracers or deniers of The Science. To me it just proves that the high priests of THE SCIENCE jockey for position. Fauci is one such priest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Only because folks are quoting and quotes show up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU-paVv6zTk
I've seen comparisons of counties with and without mask mandates that show clear reductions in infection, and nearly every doctor I've seen/heard interviewed has emphasized the importance of proper mask wearing as part of the preventive armentarium against COVID.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm
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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
” proper” being the operative word, and something all the laws in the land cannot address.
Did I say it disputed what you said. I just found the details interesting. Maybe you knew all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I don't see that in the state by state comparisons. Maybe there is a placebo effect though. Or maybe people who wear masks are generally cautious people who do better at social distancing and other preventive measures. I remain unconvinced that masks, especially as I see them worn in real life, are effective. You wrote "proper mask wearing". That's not letting it hang below your nose, taking it off when you talk so people can hear you more clearly, touching it all the time, using any random cloth mask, etc. I have seen some of the experiments demonstrated on TV - a mask is placed on some type of stand and particles are shot against it while it sits there properly in place and stationary. Then the mask is removed and particles are shot again and more get through. That is not a realistic model of what happens with human beings.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I almost some days that the people who know how all the various technologies work that keep our society functioning would just...step back...for a couple of months.
Let all the Internet experts shoulder the load for a while, see how that goes.
I could imagine in an alternate reality where a lot more people were vaccinated, masks might not be so important. Unfortunately we have anit-vaxxers like RFK Jr., Fox news, others around their social media circles and right to choose bunch promoting Covid disinformation around the vaccines and boosters that we all have to pay the price for. I don't know how many more of them will have to die or get ill before any of that changes, if ever.
Enough people in my state are vaccinated. Those who choose not to get vaccinated will pay the price. The rest of us should not have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I understand that RFK Jr is a true anti-vaxxer but I'm confused by the often repeated claim that Fox News is anti-vax. Are people just confusing anti-vax with anti-mandate, as some of their personalities claim to be? Whats the deal with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
It is curious why the CDC has never recommended better quality masks despite wide availability now (I had quality masks in March of 2020 but hey bf wanted protection from the awful smoke of west coast climate fires so had N95s then by coincidence). Why the CDC doesn't stress ventilation. And why what is actually a norm in many countries is to self-test yourself before all social events is kind of unheard of here. But that will never be a norm for most if test kits are near $30 and hard to find of course.
Did I say that Fox news was anti-vaxx, or that they were the source of disinformation? Though I don't know what others might say. You can google Tucker Carlson as easy as me and believe it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Yes, you said "Unfortunately we have anit-vaxxers like RFK Jr., Fox news, others around their social media circles...".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
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You can google Tucker Carlson as easy as me and believe it or not.
I've personally never paid any attention to Tucker Carlson so I'm not sure what he believes, but have watched/listened to the network's hard news segments and have never heard anything other than vaccine support. I'd never considered that people would equate one person for an entire network.
Oh, ok. Yes I knew that stuff at a summary level. Unfortunately I listened to too much of the live Fauci versus rand Paul congressional hearing. I only listened to it because it was a beautiful evening and I was driving around in my convertible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
How much is enough? Enough so that the ICUs and hospitals only fill up with the unvaccinated, but don't overflow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
My humble apologies. Some of it I didn't know and I found interesting. The term HUNH somewhat baffled me. Driving around in a convertible on a nice day sounds quite nice right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I listened to a prominent expert in disease transmission on the Joe Rogan show say exactly this. Yes Rogan does sometimes have real experts, they’re not all wackadoodle experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
He pretty much said that lack of rapid result home testing today is a huge failing in our country. The rapid home tests are inexpensive and less accurate, but that’s OK if they give us more false positives than the other more accurate test, that is fine. The false positive rate is still quite low, very low.
One could look hard on this website to see all of the posts that lay this lack of test kit availability at the feet of Biden. You know, kind of like how all those billions of posts by, well, certain posters, laid at the feet of Trump lack of general testing back 15-20 months ago.
I could look hard to see those posts castigating Biden but I won’t because I’m not that kind of gal. Smile. But really it’s because – there aren’t any posts blaming Uncle Joe to find. So curious.
Over 80% of those eligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
The hospitals are full because of 1) fear-mongering around covid that made everyone paranoid even if they were in a low risk group, so they didn't go for routine screenings and now there is a backlog of surgeries dealing with issues found when they did go - great job media fearmongers 2) a nurse's strike that is expected to be settled soon and has taken over 100 beds out of use 3) hundreds of hospital employees being fired because they refused to get vaccinated 4) a small percentage of the increase in hospitalization is actually due to covid. No surge hospitals have been opened nor is it anticipated any will be needed.
I should be been more clear, as other than RFK Jr., Eric Clapton, and maybe Rand Paul I don't know of too many anti-vaxxers. Since I've never seen Fox news, I don't know how strongly Tucker represents the network, but I gather he is popular in some circles and suppose the network has some accountability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
HUNh Is my expression of disgust and wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
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Originally Posted by happystuff
i’m not sure what lesson we are to take away from this knife versus gun event in this film, but Coburn was great. Does it show that when you bring a knife to a gun fight the knife can win? Does it show that there are disputes in factual conflict?
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No worries. I've just noticed over the past few years that most of the people who slam Fox News have never really watched/listened to it but get their opinions from others who also haven't watched/listened to it. I find it weird if not at least a little bit understandable based on our current state of tribalism and resultant desire to belittle enemy icons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I agree. I get much of my news from the NYT and I suspect there are conservatives who bash it without reading. At least from personal experiences, which doesn't represent the whole group anymore that your personal accounts. They do have some articles about Tucker Carlson and Fox news and I suspect Fox news people bash the NYT enemy icon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
The knife can win, easily, in some circumstances. At a distance of ~20 feet or less, a knife-wielder has an advantage over a person with a firearm, especially if the firearm person is untrained in what to do about the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Google "Tueller Drill" for analysis/videos/etc.
It's why cops tend to shoot people who "just have a knife and were 15 feet away".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
NPR had a feature this evening on how to stay safe over the Holidays. The recommendation wasn't from any government official, but "expert researchers recommend" They were saying based on the high level of Omicron transmissibility the cloth and surgical mask should be upgraded to KN95 or N95 masks. As usual, more to prevent the spread of the wearer rather than as personal protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Since the vaccine is less effective at preventing Omicron they say it's an extra layer of protection that could be needed. I don't know why government officials haven't suggested this since it makes sense to me. I think the general recommendation for the Holidays is still that you might not need a mask in small groups of people you know are vaccinated. They were also big on rapid testing, which is something the government has failed on.
Yes, Coburn was great! Yes, a knife can win, and what bae said. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
What some of you called my really bad idea is gaining traction - putting unvaccinated people at the end of the treatment line:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...d=winp1taskbar
It's a horrid idea no matter who is proposing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Triage decisions have to be made on some criteria. What do you propose that criteria be? It makes logical sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
Those in need of a new liver because they drank their liver away are not near the top of liver transplant list, as an example.
I’ve wondered about insurance companies wielding the power of payment. As in “if you don’t get vaccinated, if we don’t have a record of your vaccination, we won’t pay for any covid treatment or will pay reduce amount.”
If this latter thing would happen, I personally would sit on DH and stick that vaccine into his arm.
I heard in Singapore insurers won't pay if you aren't vaccinated.
My DH Is free to make decisions about his body and health, but when it comes to our finances, nope, stupidity is not allowed. He may not risk our assets by a long hospital stay. So I guess that’s my line in the sand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Local news here said that in one of our rural areas ambulances type services have been so busy transferring patients to various hospitals with available beds or ICUs because of overflow that they've had to delay some emergency services calls.
I have always thought it stupid that once you are admitted to a hospital you can be well enough to ride to another hospital in the car of a family member but they insist you be transported via ambulance. It is a way for the medical establishment to make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I'm not sure how well IVs and intubation units and other life supports travel in cars. An example of how your 80% vaccination rate isn't working unlike you suggested earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
The situations in which I or family members have wished to transport people were pre-covid and did not involve IVs or intubation units. I would be surprised if every covid-19 patient looking for a bed is hooked up this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Perhaps you should offer your expertise to the people who write the medical transport protocols. You clearly are an expert on such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej