2020 Presidential Candidates

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Katherine, I will spend some time with that article. Just skimming the premise, I don’t disagree with that necessarily, but it’s not just the managed-care people who are dictating treatment.

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Actually, that asterisk was mine... after talking to thousands of doctors and payers, I have come to the conclusion that managed care companies hogtie doctors and restrict patient access to many treatments. Getting approval for most branded medicines requires 2FTEs in doctor's offices and adds hours of administrative time to the doctors' days. I'm not saying that these medicines aren't overpriced and in many cases don't need some oversight, but it points to just one more layer of bureaucracy that someone has to pay for.

It’s younger people that are packing bars, pools, etc and spreading the virus. Older people are being more careful. We are all in this together and the sooner everyone cooperates the sooner this will be over. Asian countries are used to wearing masks and are recovering much faster.

Around here the bars and wineries have been the big location where it might be spread. I guess stay out of bars and wineries!

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Originally Posted by Tybee

Around here the bars and wineries have been the big location where it might be spread. I guess stay out of bars and wineries!

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Any indoor space where one congregates with other people for any length of time is a bad idea. In a grocery store you may walk past an infected person but you're near them a few seconds and then they are not near you anymore. Bars, restaurants, winery tasting rooms, gyms, bowling alleys, churches, offices, planes, prisons, meat packing plants, trump rallies. All really risky places to go because you're indoors near other potentially infected people for longer periods of time. Most of these have already been traced as sources of a big spreading event. It's only a matter of time before the rest are as well.

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I'm a fat old broad, and all I expect from the medical community is to be left alone. If i have a medical problem I can't solve, I'll let them know. I've certainly not put any burdens on them so far.

Also, fat old broads did not just spring up this generation in my family...
And our FOBs historically lived average or better lifespans, with little or no medical intervention.

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the personality responsibility thing is provably false anyway. Yes it's all well and good to follow the healthiest lifestyle one can afford and is able to make realistically doable considering few are perfect. Many things are correlated to say heart disease including diet etc., but the single largest correlation: socioeconomics. You can control for every personal variable in health outcomes, smoking rates, diet, exercise blah blah and still see an indepedent effect of poverty and racial discrimination (you can see racial discrimination even adjusting for economics!). Who dies more of covid, the poor, minorities, etc.. The elderly as well, but that really just is because of effects of aging probably. I say I think my job before made me temporarily sick, think, don't really know. And then generalize that, it was a cushy white collar job (well as cushy as contract work can be, contract work is REALLY stressful by definition), just in a reclaimed brown area that information about was still being suppressed (a website just up and vanished) - and generalize it to jobs with not just a speculated but a KNOWN exposure to toxic chemicals, and then talk to me about personal responsibility when people get sick making a dying. One estimate maybe nearly 70% of cancers due to lifestyle, but the rest, workplace exposure, genetics, pollution.

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Originally Posted by Alan

I disagree, using your vote to reflect your preferred philosophy seems to me to be every citizens ultimate responsibility. Voting for someone who simply tells you what you want to hear seems to me to be the height of irresponsibility.

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That is exactly why I can’t fathom anyone voting for trump. He flip flops on issues if he thinks it will help his re-election. Every day he does something unconscionable.

I'm not going to vote for Elizabeth Warren--though I think she'd make an outstanding president. Doing so wouldn't advance my ultimate goal, which is ridding the country of the scourge that is Trump. As I've said earlier, my days of voting for lost causes are over. This is far too important.

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

That is exactly why I can’t fathom anyone voting for trump. He flip flops on issues if he thinks it will help his re-election. Every day he does something unconscionable.

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To be fair he hasn't flip flopped on every issue. He's been consistent on the issue of racism.

Yea trump is consistently racist and delusional!!

He also hasn’t flip flopped in celebrating corruption and destroying the rule of law. It’s only on the more traditional issues Like policy issues that he’s a random flip flopper. But apparently his supporters don’t seem to care about those traditional issues, only the core things he’s stuck with all along.