If you only stay home when your test is positive but otherwise go around spreading flu, RSV, strep A, etc you are the real a-hole for thinking only one illness matters.
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If you only stay home when your test is positive but otherwise go around spreading flu, RSV, strep A, etc you are the real a-hole for thinking only one illness matters.
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Originally Posted by cx3
I have just gotten over covid. Thank God I was vaccinated! I’m sure it saved me! There are many unvaxxed people who are now underground because of either stupidly or misinformation.
Child with covid is still home. Was supposed to go back to work today, but was sounding so horrible and still not feeling even 80% better, is taking today and maybe even tomorrow off. Work gives 5 days regardless of retest results or active symptoms. >:(
I don't know about the ministry of truth, but politifact is on the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by cx3
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...es-covid-19-v/
It seems like someone here mentioned that the government cause of death figures and government in general can't be trusted, so I'm not sure why you should trust your CDC data either.
the thing is most people in the u.s. have had at least one and often at least 2-3 vaccinations. So of course there are going to be more deaths among the vaxed, there are more vaxed people. Let's say more vaxed people are dying in auto accidents, but that's just because more people are vaxed, so the liklihood of someone dying in an auto-accident having had the vax is greater than them not having had it. I am leaving aside that those more likely to be vaxed are probably those most vulnerable to covid, because vaccination is pretty widespread across the board, but vaccination is higher among those 65 and up.Quote:
Using the CDC's own data; Sep21 covid deaths 77% among unvaxed, 23% vaxed. By Aug 22 deaths 42% unvaxed, 58% vaxed to fully vaxed.. Anyone see a pattern here?
I don't know if it's happening, truthfully I mostly hear anecdotes about sudden death, and I can't conclude much from them, but Rogar already posted on this. But also what has changed is covid itself. Isn't that a good guess that it would be long term complications from having had covid?Quote:
Also unrelated to CDC, 2020 29 European soccer players collapsed on field from a cardiac issues. 2021 and 2022 1598 players collapsed on field from cardiac issues, over 1100 deaths. What could possibly have changed from 2020 to 2021, any guesses?
There are a lot of conflicting figures on covid deaths and sicknesses and there are people who play a fast and furious game with numbers. I personally have a reasonable amount of faith that the government is acting in our best interest and it least in larger issues thy are not hiding things, and hiding things like significant risk from vaccination falls into the category of fringe conspiracies. Having lived through the Nixon and Trump years, I can understand distrust of politics but I have a little more faith in medical science.
Those who distrust the government health agencies can usually go to source articles or can reference academic experts such as This Week in Virology or compare with other countries. There are more than one or a several reliable sources that tend to generally agree with the CDC.
I see a consistent pattern of people without a basic grasp of statistics and simple algebra running into the weeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by cx3
Haha! Fair enough. I may be an asshole but I'm not the kind of asshole who would go out in public if I knew I had a highly infectious disease that kills an average of 400 frail Americans every day. I'd probably also stay home if I had the flu even though it's a third as deadly and a lot less contagious, mainly because the few times in my adult life that I've had it I was thoroughly miserable.Quote:
Originally Posted by cx3
I have always thought people who go to work sick were assholes and with such a sense of entitlement. They think they are so important that not taking off some sick days is worth getting potentially several other people in the office who might take off sick days sick (that would be me because I tend to be just miserable and pretty worthless for anything when sick). Yea buddy you and your few days work you might miss, are just that much more important than everyone else.
I never thought of masks to protect myself when dealing with such assholes though. Now I know.
Tufts University, a science institution, has just stopped mandating covid-19 booster shots for their students. These people have a good grasp of advanced statistics and other branches of mathematics.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I'm embarrassed to admit I went to work sick more than once, even though I had full coverage/sick time, so could have stayed home. My only (weak) defense was that I worked alone, and someone would have had to be found to cover my shift, and I figured if I felt crappy at work it was par for the course anyway. Plus I'm famous for just sucking it up and soldiering through.
They must not have updated their web site, or it's something else and not that and Tucker was mis informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Tufts requires that all eligible students, faculty, staff, vendors, and affiliates have completed a COVID-19 vaccine primary series (two doses of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine) and have received at least one booster dose.
The bivalent (Omicron) booster is no longer required, but it is strongly recommended.
Staying up to date on our vaccination is the best defense against illness and will help keep everyone on our campuses healthy.
Sophistry. And you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I was responding to CX3's analysis of covid deaths in the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated population.
And not to the straw man you threw up to deflect and confuse.
"No sophistry, no jugglery in figures can explain away the evidence that the skeletons in many villages present to the naked eye." M.K.G.
You're not smarter than everyone else and you're not better either, but I'm sure you'll keep calling me names when I call you out on your superiority complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Bae is smarter than I am but he’s not better than I am! And most importantly, he is not the boss of me.:~)
Another one bites the dust. The University of Illinois just dropped all covid testing and vaccination requirements, not just for boosters but for the original series of shots, for both students and staff.
And the forced masking of toddlers in Head Start programs is finally ending.
Actually another 678 bit the dust in the US yesterday. But by all means carry on with your pathetic ‘muh freedumb’ campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
And what is their average age?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
A young male has a greater chance of dying from vaccine side effects than dying of covid. But by all means pursue a one size fits all strategy ignoring the facts. And when you get covid follow the script of thanking the vaccine and boosters that didn't prevent you from getting it by praising them, speculating that you would have had a more severe case otherwise.
Meanwhile, in the real world, the vaccines are prompting the virus to evolve to evade it. You're doing a heck of a job Brownie, a heck of a job!
I have to disagree with you here. I have worked at jobs where there were no sicks days. If you stayed out sick, you didn't get paid. Plus, after three days, you would need a doctor's note for work - another expense when income is already being limited. I have gone to work when mildly sick, but always made it known that I wasn't feeling 100% and and stayed away from other people (as best as possible).Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
So, no, it's not always a "sense of entitlement", but more a sense of survival.
Yep. Railroad workers have no sick days thanks to Joe Biden busting their strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
Not sure what any of this has to do with people being decent human beings and staying home if they have covid so that they don’t infect, and potentially kill, somebody else’s grandma or an immune compromised person?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Your logical fallacy is that only covid can kill grandma. The flu or any number of other things can too, but you want covid to be so special.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
You do know the quarantine recommendations are political right? It was 10 days until Christmas season 2021 when the airlines complained about the resulting labor shortages and then all of a sudden it was 5 days. It was 10 days if you're unvaxxed and 5 days if you're vaxxed based on ... absolutely nothing other than the desire to punish the unvaxxed. Maybe JP stands for Just Political not Jet Plane.
I don’t want covid to be special. But I can look at the ****ing numbers. It IS special. At least compared to flu.
By all means keep channeling your inner Dan Patrick. Thankfully I don’t know anyone who lives near you so you won’t be killing the grandmas of anyone I care about as you go about spewing your covid germs.
I'm FINALLY starting to feel better on Day 11 of the crud, mainly a little bit more energy and less congestion. I have no doubt in my mind that had I NOT been vaccinated and boosted that I would have been a whole lot more miserable. I was still testing positive the day before yesterday (Day 9). I'll retest next week because I have a neck injection coming up.
The best thing the average American can do to protect themselves against a bad covid outcome is to lose some weight, not get vaccinated. I have lost 30 pounds so far. YMMV.
SiouzQ, so glad to hear you are feeling better!
Yppej: "The best thing the average American can do to protect themselves against a bad covid outcome is to lose some weight, not get vaccinated. I have lost 30 pounds so far. YMMV."
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, even coming from you. I mean, really?????? BTW, congrats on your weight loss.
It's to wear an N95 or KN95 or N94 mask. Thank me as they say :). I have never had covid YMMV, well no it probably won't, masks work. Plus side to it: EAT CAKE. Btw nothing makes me want to eat a whole cake right now (I am not actually eating a whole cake right now) than reading about the weird eating disordered behavior described here. Look I've heard of intermittent fasting etc., yes, yes all things people do. But eating in two 10 minute periods at day or whatever, that's just beyond bizarre. No, no I have never heard of anyone but yeppy following a "diet" like that.
Now that you've done the best thing, what is there left?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Another thing I've not done is stress about covid. Stress is bad for your immune system. I don't think there's anything else to do. Some ridiculous restrictions were rolled out because we can't do nothing, we have to something. People were arrested for things like surfing alone or walking the beach alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Again with the moldy oldies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Probably good things to do regardless of the scientific consensus on vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
LOL!!!!Quote:
Another thing I've not done is stress about covid.
I seem to recall a significant amount of stress you expressed in getting an appointment to get your parents vaccinated, getting yourself vaccinated, the general public being allowed in your work area.... Never mind the fretting about fitting rooms being closed.
…Or having to go to any type of doctor requiring masks….or meetings where masks were required…or going to the library etc etc… haha have not stressed! .. my eye!
I have not stressed about catching covid.
I have stressed about the government's reaction to covid, including censorship and infringing on civil liberties.
I know it was inevitable. Dh and I both tested positive today. We have both notified work and are awaiting information on their protocols. Child is now testing negative, so will be back to work tomorrow.
I'm sorry to hear that Happy, and I hope you both are better soon.
I prefer to go the mask route rather than the weight loss route since I only weigh 105 lbs to begin with, but I do have other risk factors that mean I might not do well with Covid. We have a good supply of KN-95s. I don't particularly stress about it. I take the precautions that I believe to be prudent and go about my life.
Hoping you feel better very soon, happy!Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff