Let the deportations begin?

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Originally Posted by Rogar

It is certainly wrong by any of my ethical standards. Not to mention the religious golden rule principals of the supposed Christian right, which any more seems like a political faction more than anything.

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my ethical standards as well. But as Allen pointed out, they had other choices. This is what Trump voters wanted. They won the election. Around here in Florida people are getting picked up all over and being deported. There were four articles in this mornings paper about multiple traffic stops. The joy and glee people are expressing in comments to the articles barely shocks me anymore. It is why Trump was reelected.

But in any country, if you are found to be there without legal entry papers this is what you risk.

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the supposed Christian right, which any more seems like a political faction more than anything.

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in a 2020 survey by a religious group (Ligonier ministries) 30% of evangelicals do not believe in the divinity of Christ. That number is now 43%, according to other sources. So nearly half of Evangelical Christians ARE a political, not a religious, faction. I am an atheist. I am NOT an Atheistic Christian. If someone does not believe in the divinity of Christ, HOW ARE THEY CHRISTIAN?? I want to be shocked by man's inhumanity to man. I do not want to be desensitized. I do not want to feel I'm becoming LESS human. But it's sure getting hard.

We can blame the Trump regime for some of the inhumanity and hatred by labeling illegals as animals, drug dealers, and murderers. The situation is not being handled correctly. However, it's a problem that has been festering for several regimes and congress or the president of the day have been unable to properly address it due to political tribalism and fighting, and it has ended in decision paralysis.. My small piece of pontificating anyway.

In the specific case, parents who have worked here steadily for ten years in responsible jobs, who have had four children who I suppose are citizens by being born here, and who have no criminal records should have a better opinion other than the one presented.

Another incident:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...ice-rcna198044

Women comes to us and has a green card. Works and in 2000 embezzles from a bank. 9 times. Is caught and has 10 days community service. Ordered to pay back the $6000 and takes 19 years to do so.
leaves to visit Philippines, detained upon reentry as she has conviction for embezzlement.
children say she did not get citizenship because she has family land n Philippines and didn’t want to chance losing it.

these are the kind of stories I’m reading everyday here in Florida. Is it fair? I don’t know. If you are a business owner and had lost money this way the answer is probably yes.

if that is the law that you lose green card status what is there to say? I don’t know. I’m neither an immigration attorney or judge. But the initial article I read about this did not mention the crime or land ownership. So be careful what you read. She has a hearing scheduled so we will all find out.

This about students here legally being deported? Certainly one relative pretty much, from a country we have always been at war with called Denmark (like Canada we have always been at war with Denmark!!!), says they will not protest anything due to threats of deportation. To tell the truth they weren't the protesting type anyway and aren't young. But certainly it would make them a candidate for deportation if they were.

Oopsie. We deported the wrong guy but we can’t get him back. Fox News site.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vance-dou...112746961.html

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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore

This about students here legally being deported? Certainly one relative pretty much, from a country we have always been at war with called Denmark (like Canada we have always been at war with Denmark!!!), says they will not protest anything due to threats of deportation. To tell the truth they weren't the protesting type anyway and aren't young. But certainly it would make them a candidate for deportation if they were.

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It is indeed chilling to think simple peaceful protesting is now an act unfriendly to the U.S.

But it is also good to remember that legal non citizens here are still our guests, and their behavior acts as an audition for citizenship.

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Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere

Oopsie. We deported the wrong guy but we can’t get him back. Fox News site.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vance-dou...112746961.html

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It is naive to think any large scale government action is carried out perfectly. I knew some people would be caught up improperly in these deportation efforts. That is too bad.

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Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere

Oopsie. We deported the wrong guy but we can’t get him back. Fox News site.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vance-dou...112746961.html

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It would appear that the person in question was slated for deportation 6 years ago but was then granted a reprieve after claiming that he would be tortured if returned to his home country. The reprieve did not provide assurances that he would not be deported, just that he would not be deported to his home country. The mistake made last week was not that he was the wrong guy or that he should not have been deported, but rather that he was indeed deported to his home country. I guess we'll have to see how that plays out but the one thing for sure is that you have to wade through an awful lot of activism disguised as journalism to get a relatively informed grasp of the facts.

Trump's own justice department has admitted he was deported to a veritable torture dungeon in error. Whether he was a family man married to an American wife, working as a sheet metal worker, and shared fatherhood over a disabled 5 year old child and granted some form of asylum. Or or an MS-13 gang leader involved in human trafficking with no legal right to be here seems to depend on who's telling the story.