According to the independent, nonbiased Cochrane report, masks don't work. That's why if you have something that dangerous/contagious like Ebola you put on a full hazmat suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
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According to the independent, nonbiased Cochrane report, masks don't work. That's why if you have something that dangerous/contagious like Ebola you put on a full hazmat suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
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Originally Posted by Yppej
While the Cochrane review found that the evidence from randomized controlled trials is uncertain, this does not mean that masks do not work to slow the spread of COVID-19. Other types of evidence, such as observational studies and mechanistic evidence, also support the use of masks.
What the Cochrane Review Says About Masks For COVID-19 - and What It Doesn’t - FactCheck.org
Actually, as a member of our regional infectious disease response team, which is tasked with monitoring and transporting Ebola patients, among other dreadful things, I can tell you we don't "put on a full hazmat suit".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
And as a certified HAZMAT operator, I can also tell you the HAZMAT gear is considerably different than the more surgical-type gear that is typically worn for infectious disease control work.
Where did you receive your training, what certifications do you hold, and what field experience have you had?
Grasping at straws. I know. It's hard to admit you were wrong. "Mechanistic evidence" is those stationary dummies that have particles shot at them through a machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I'm pretty much on board with everything fact check said with absolutely no qualms.
dittoQuote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Maybe if the people working at those places had gone to youtube university they'd be smarter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
In the early days of the COVID-19 panic, these two drugs were actually used in hospitals. Did you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7556338/
You don’t have to look far to find articles in PubMed about their use, actual use by medical doctors in clinical settings not fringe practitioners operating out of the back of their vans. They were legitimately tried as COVID-19 protocols.
Also, there were lots of funded research projects considering the two drugs Hydrooxychorichine and chloroquine .Look at Pubmed for them. Someone thought they were worth investigating and putting research dollars into.
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But as you say, it's interesting that people only remember those things that support their political or cultural leanings, case in point.
Am I saying that many, any, some hospitals used H & C for treating COVID-19 after the early days? No.
Am I saying the article I linked shared success with these two drugs? No
Am I saying anyone SHOULD use these two drugs to treat COVID-19? No
What I see in your statement is a kind of smug satisfaction that you know the true science. I don’t think you did then and like the rest of us, Have hindsight knowledge now. Even Anthony Fauci has hindsight knowledge now even though at the time if we questioned Fauci, we were questioning the science. According to Fauci, anyway.
I’ve said it many times, and I’ll say it again: the high priests of science are not the science. Like the science, the priests should be looked upon with skepticism. The science itself doesn’t mind being questioned, but the priests do mind being questioned.
About masking, I grow weary of mask rigidity.
I think some masks sometimes reduce some transmissions among some populations in some situations. There’s a lot of qualifiers there! I see people get hysterical about masking and that is just silly to me.
I prefer to stay away from big crowds. I haven’t been on a plane since Covid and I don’t care how well the airlines claim to process their air in their big metal tubes, I don’t really believe the air is all that pristine and besides there’s all kinds of bugs we can catch besides COVID-19. Think about we got sick from being on an airplane before we even heard of COVID-19.
Timing is everything. By the time trump was touting those drugs (and also recommending squirting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up one's ass) did anyone who actually studies drug effectiveness still think they might work?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I used to get colds several times a year. I've literally had only one in the past four years. Unlike you, though, I've been on planes multiple times since April of 2021 when I first got vaccinated. Only one cold. This is definitely anecdote, but I've worn a KN95 mask every time I've been on a plane or on transit these past three years. The coincidence that I've also not gotten sick during that time is hard for me to ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
oh wait it’s not true I haven’t been on a plane. I went to New Mexico in April 2 022 on an airplane. I remember traveling home the day Southwest airlines lifted their mask requirement. I probably wore one Anyway, I don’t remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I’m not bothered by wearing a mask and I wear N95s also because that’s what we have in our house due to construction.I don’t mind masks and I’ll wear one if the circumstances require it, and I might wear one if the circumstances suggest it, but I’m not rigid about it.
I did stop volunteering at Missouri botanical gardens back in, was it 2021? Or 2022? They required masks when working outside. Yeah I’m not gonna do that, bending over , sweating, weeding their gardens. nope not wearing a mask doing that. To be honest, I wasn’t a very good volunteer anyway. I like deadheading the Iris beds, but that’s it, I don’t want to be one of their regular weeding crew.
Well I have a head cold, my second one since 2019 (I used to be good for 2 per year). I've been hanging at my mother's house during kitchen work at my house, but I've been really conscientious about wearing a mask and sanitizing my hands. It will be interesting to see if I am successful in not sharing my cold with her. I realize this isn't any kind of scientific study, but I will still be interested in seeing how it goes.
I need to change my personal habits as well, as I realize I am a "face toucher". The last couple of months (since my last bad case of bronchitis), I started realizing how often I touch my face! I'm making a conscious effort to wash my hands more often, mask in crowds and STOP TOUCHING MY FACE!!! :|(;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
I continue to see people on a daily basis walking around outdoors by themselves with masks on. There is just no hope for some people.
Meanwhile, my company is sending me to school to get certified for ServSafe and I have started studying the materials. There is nothing about wearing masks. Nothing! Even for those working with vulnerable populations such as in nursing home cafeterias.
The Cochrane study was clear there is NO evidence masks work, but some people latch on desperately to the statement that more studies could be done. There's zero evidence, masks aren't evidence based, but they'll keep studying it until they find some weird outlier so they don't have to admit they were wrong.
I can always use a little education on the matter. If I recall, the subject was political conspiracy theory influencing distrust in the scientific community? And people's tendency to only remember what reinforces their tribal beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
"President Donald Trump's continued embrace of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug with unproven efficacy against the novel coronavirus, directly contradicts guidance from the nation's top public health agencies and officials.
Approved decades ago to prevent and treat malaria, the prescription medicine hydroxychloroquine and a similar drug chloroquine are used to treat autoimmune diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
But the drugs have not shown to benefit coronavirus patients or proved effective as a prophylactic, according to the Food and Drug Administration, National Institutes of Health and scientific community at-large -- despite the president's persistent push."
Timeline: Tracking Trump alongside scientific developments on hydroxychloroquine - ABC News (go.com)
The problem is people (and yea the Trump admin) kept pretending the drugs were effective long after ever accumulating evidence indicated they weren't. I suppose you could say there was a time it was rational to believe the world was flat, but it really doesn't give one any excuse for saying it in 2024. That's kind of how it was.
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Originally Posted by Yppej
As somebody on Chemotherapy, wearing a mask and washing my hands often, etc. can also help against the spread of the common cold or other things (not a covid only thing), that could screw with my treatment (throw off blood counts). Why they choose to or not wear masks really isn't any concern of yours, mine or anyone elses.
Although I am surprised you were able to post after asking for your account to be deleted yesterday?:confused:
I agree that masks outside are apparently unnecessary, thankfully. Inside I don't care if I'm wearing one. But if I'm outside doing sweaty things I'd rather not.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
My regular volunteer activity is once a week at Marin Humane doing the morning routine in the Adoption Cat section. (tidying up their living spaces, dumping the litter boxes, taking away the previous night's wet food and filling dry food/water dishes). No mask requirement and I don't wear one since they aren't open to the public yet at that hour and I'm working by myself. (the last being key to why I enjoy the job. I volunteered because I want to be around the cats. Not other people...)
The other day, I had a haircut appointment and wore a mask to protect hairdresser and others in the shop from my head cold. (I had asked if she would rather I reschedule, but she was OK with me just masking). Afterwards, I went into the bank a block away, and I can't remember, but I might have kept my mask on while I walked the block. It wasn't too hot and sweaty because February in New England. Anyway, I suppose anyone seeing me walking that block may have shaken their head over the crazy woman wearing a mask outdoors, but I'm not too concerned about that.
How are you doing, TMS? I think of you often and hope your treatment is going as smoothly as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff
Yes, TMS. Ditto what rr said. Hope you are doing well.
Back in the days when we were masking all the time, I often had a mask on when I was alone in my car because I was driving from store to store, and just didn’t bother to take it off. There was no reason to take it off. One of my friends made a comment about the idiots who are driving alone in their cars with mask on, and I told her I was one of those idiots and why.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
The reason I despise masks are my hot flashes. Within 5 minutes I’d be in a raging hot flash, which makes me extremely b*tchy. Mask in my car or outside? Hell, no!Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I did the same thing in the car. If I was going to multiple stores I put it on before the first and eft it until I was getting in to go home.
As to how I am doing, pretty well. Minimal side effects, effectively and one that was worse last treatment possibly due to my own stupidity (don't use ice when on Chemo, it feels like needles). The big thing is the lack of stamina/tired quicker.
I'd say I am back to work, but after my surgery, week three or four of recovery, I had to go in and fix a toilet, faucet, and replace a light switch, because no one seems mechanically capable and the idiot that I now share ownership with (brother of my late boss), can't figure out how to call someone who isn't down.
This week I had to get up on a ladder because he tried to cool the entire place with one a/c, causing it to freeze up (thought the drip tray was clogged, no frozen line dripping through ceiling).
So I am working partial days, including the weeks I have Chemo.
This is a pretty good report on your health but I wish you didn’t have to carry the load at your workplace!Quote:
Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff
Thanks for the update. Idiot guy. SheeshQuote:
Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff
Wow, glad you are doing so well but wish your co-owner could more effectively give you a break while you are recovering.
As others have said, glad you are doing okay and not-very-bright co-worker!! I worry you were on the ladder!!! Be careful!
I meant to circle back earlier about this ABC News summary of how these two drugs were treated in the early days of Covid. I didn’t realize they had been put into the “national stockpile “whatever that is. They did have a lot of attention but yes, after a few months, it seems there seem to be no scientific evidence of their effectiveness after use I. Hospital settings. . The president should’ve shut up about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Four years ago today WHO declared the plague a pandemic. Dang. Time flies.
My life was very easy during Covid. But I knew many people who died because I run in crowds of old people in these garden clubs and plant societies. One of the plants groups is still picking up pieces from Covid lockdowns, illnesses, and deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
I will say that the deaths of important persons in the iris Society were not due to Covid, it was old age related.
the after effects of lockdowns, scare mongering, etc. will be felt for a long time. I can’t even imagine how the schools have recovered or are in recovery.
I got laid off on 3/25/20 and was out of work for four months, then work at home job for 8 months. I was home for the worst of it. So one good thing about the horrid work from home job.
I make $30K more than I did when I got laid off four years ago. I’ve lived by myself since 1996 so I didn’t have the mental health issues some did. I was able to pay my bills with that extra $600 week unemployment.
In an odd way, I miss lockdown and the stay home stuff through 2022.
I know this isn't exactly a rigorous, double-blind study, but I spent a lot of time at my Mom's during the worst of the kitchen project and at the peak of my head cold. I was extremely conscientious about masking and hand sanitation, and she did not catch my cold.
The death of people I knew from covid, were a mix of things. We had our oven repair man and his wife both pass, leaving a 10 year old behind, but both had weight issues. Our pest controls husband passed, and she had to argue with the doctors, so both daughters got to say goodbye before he did, while she didn't get to. (doctor only wanted one final visitor), couple near misses, with no health issues like a bank president friend. Now with it being back around with RSV, and my immunity going down like it supposed to due to the chemo, they want me to wear a mask on the weeks that I am on the pump and back working. Lessen the chance of catching anything from the common cold, etc. that could affect my health and treatments.
Had to pull out my mask from my late friend and coworker, as well as my silence of the lambs mask.
Thinking of you, ToomuchStuff, and hoping you're feeling ok! Glad your mom missed your cold, rr! I have a friend who continues to mask outside during peak allergy season, she said she had no idea it could make such a difference in her suffering level. We don't currently mask but have plenty of them on hand if anyone gets sick. We knew people who died of covid, and some for whom it hastened their end. DD had (has?) long-covid and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Child2 had it but no lasting repercussions. Like Tradd, I lost my job just before covid and it was nice to not have to go out to work during all that! There were three of us holed up here, and we had no problems, we're all introverts. It doesn't seem like it's been 4 years! I do feel for the kids who lost a lot of ground, but that's not entirely on Covid. Before, I was teaching and at least 95% of my students were reading below grade level, and more than half of those were reading at least 4 grades below. Admittedly, these were kids caught up in the juvenile justice system, but still!
I'm another that lost a long-time job when COVID hit. Like Tradd, that extra $600 a month unemployment made a huge difference and really, really helped. Know several people who died from COVID. I'm one of those that doesn't differentiate "died, but had health issues". I'm of the mind that - if they hadn't caught COVID, would they still be alive - even with health issues? If they would, then it is my opinion that it was a death due to COVID.
Oh, well. It is what it is.
I don’t know anyone personally who died from Covid. One person has severe long covid. Had to give up diving. Another long covid victim was a friend’s sister. She went from an active lifestyle including triathlons to not being able to do her job (teaching) and had to move back with her parents.
I lost a tenant - a 39 year old Mexican male with years ahead of him - due to Covid. I also know of one deli clerk at the Food City I go to who passed - she had fatty liver, who knows if this made her vulnerable? The grocery store I work at lost two older employees also. Rob
I'vr remembered your post here these past four years. What a trip things became not longer after you posted these words! I'm just glad this time has passed and hope that in my lifetime there is not another pandemic. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies