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7-23-20, 2:50pm
happystuff

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Originally Posted by bae

Now, if I were a homeowner, and a mob was throwing flaming bottles at my home, and lighting me up with what appear to be laser sighting devices, I'd be tempted to react strongly....

While I have yet to be in the exact situation, I like to think that I would leave. A building can be rebuilt, a human life - when dead - is dead. I hope I never put a material object above a life - mine or anyone else's.
7-23-20, 2:56pm
bae

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Originally Posted by happystuff

While I have yet to be in the exact situation, I like to think that I would leave. A building can be rebuilt, a human life - when dead - is dead. I hope I never put a material object above a life - mine or anyone else's.

Well, I don't see a particularly safe way of leaving when the house is threatened by a mob throwing flaming bottles and pointing lasers.

I also value my own life, and my life's energy, and am unwilling to have my home burned to the ground. If people chose to attempt to destroy my home, well, they made their own bed.
7-23-20, 2:59pm
happystuff

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Originally Posted by bae

Well, I don't see a particularly safe way of leaving when the house is threatened by a mob throwing flaming bottles and pointing lasers.

I also value my own life, and my life's energy, and am unwilling to have my home burned to the ground. If people chose to attempt to destroy my home, well, they made their own bed.

I understand. And, if and how you choose to defend is the bed of your own making as well.
7-23-20, 3:01pm
LDAHL

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Originally Posted by jp1

I suppose if you ignore the multiple videos floating around the internet showing exactly that, and that pretty much all the people who get kidnapped get released without ever being told why they were picked up or having any charges brought against them then, sure, it's not happening.

If you can’t trust videos floating around the internet, what can you trust?
7-23-20, 3:06pm
LDAHL

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

Maybe at one time that was true but now look what is in the White House. Times have radically changed. This is how Hitler came to power. People did not believe or want to see what he was doing. The good news about all this ... is some Republicans are starting to speak up!

When the IRS was targeting enemies of the previous administration and the FBI was obtaining FISA warrants under highly questionable pretexts, I don’t think things were so radically different.
7-23-20, 3:18pm
Teacher Terry

If someone was trying to set my house on fire I take the dogs and leave. I had a friend in Kansas whose husband kept a loaded shotgun in the closet and she was taught to use it. Their kids were grown and no grandchildren. One night a guy broke in and all the while telling her what he was going to do with her once her husband was dead. She got the gun and killed him. She was so traumatized that she never allowed another gun in the house although it probably saved both their lives.
7-23-20, 3:19pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

If someone was trying to set my house on fire I take the dogs and leave. I had a friend in Kansas whose husband kept a loaded shotgun in the closet and she was taught to use it. Their kids were grown and no grandchildren. One night a guy broke in and all the while telling her what he was going to do with her once her husband was dead. She got the gun and killed him. She was so traumatized that she never allowed another gun in the house although it probably saved both their lives.

Thank goodness she had it when she needed it.
7-23-20, 4:17pm
JaneV2.0

I understand at least a few of those fires were ignited by flash-bang grenades.

I would be interested to see what the political leanings of violent participants in these demonstrations are.
Of course, I'm not a neutral party, but I'd guess they would be anarchists (who show up for any and all demonstrations), agents provocateurs (usually righties), and maybe a left-leaning radical or two. The vast, vast majority of the crowd (as reported by media and my friends) are peaceful and passionate. The goons appearance draws anarchists and agents provocateurs. They should go back where they came from.
7-23-20, 6:19pm
LDAHL

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

I understand at least a few of those fires were ignited by flash-bang grenades.

I would be interested to see what the political leanings of violent participants in these demonstrations are.
Of course, I'm not a neutral party, but I'd guess they would be anarchists (who show up for any and all demonstrations), agents provocateurs (usually righties), and maybe a left-leaning radical or two. The vast, vast majority of the crowd (as reported by media and my friends) are peaceful and passionate. The goons appearance draws anarchists and agents provocateurs. They should go back where they came from.

That’s the problem, isn’t it? Everybody wants to “guess” that the bad actors are predominantly to be found among the people they don’t like; and even that their very presence constitutes a provocation.
7-23-20, 7:33pm
bae

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

That’s the problem, isn’t it? Everybody wants to “guess” that the bad actors are predominantly to be found among the people they don’t like; and even that their very presence constitutes a provocation.

Nah.

I'm pretty sure the bad actors are distributed across the whole spectrum. It's all part of the show.

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