Rob, let me get this right...a cop and guy are in a tussle, the guy is going for the cop's gun, and you want the cop to taser the guy? Or shoot him in the leg?
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Rob, let me get this right...a cop and guy are in a tussle, the guy is going for the cop's gun, and you want the cop to taser the guy? Or shoot him in the leg?
Not to mention the effort by Anonymous, the web terrorists, who attempted to intimidate the St. Louis County police chief by publishing all kids of personal data about him including photos of his children and information about their school. That is wicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Shooting to kill seems excessive to me, yes. And we don't know if this thug - and I will call the deceased a thug - went after the cop's gun or not. So far it's just the cop's word against the word of the thug's friend. Shooting to kill? It ends life. Would tasering not subdue this thug? I don't know, I've never been tasered, but isn't that what the general concept is about? And if the life of Michael Brown doesn't mean a lot to others out there - and he does seem unsavory now, I won't deny that - don't others care about the cost of the upcoming legal drama, numerous lawsuits, large pay outs that are going to be taking place here? Perhaps lost convention revenue, lost tourism revenue from foreigners to the US - there are so many other factors here other than one or two black and white questions (black and white here having nothing to do with races involved). I see a lot of gray area and a lot to fear and an indictment in general on American society.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
Please remember as I type this I have been police brutality and racial profiling taking place here in Phoenix. I know it exists, I've seen it in action before.
OTOH, I will admit that the authorities have not had the chance to formally tell their side of the story and they do deserve that as per law and they have been dammed on social media. Social media has not damned them for me to be honest, like I said I've seen police brutality against Hispanics and I no longer wish to engage with the police period, not even in a pleasant way. I've totally lost respect and trust for them, and in the neighborhood I live in, you will not find one law abiding citizen that doesn't feel the same way. Perhaps this is a social class thing, I don't know? My experience is that lower income people in general don't trust the police or the legal system. Rob
Now this I agree with 100%. This is wicked and crossing the line in my book. And quite scary, too. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I guess you're right about the autopsy. But it will be interesting to see if it shows any surprises. I wonder what his blood will show. It was a little weird listening to Brown's family's lawyer using bad english. Is that just accepted as dialect?
Just curious, will an autopsy show any drug use? Will they test for illegal subtances as part of an autopsy? A poster above mentioned the possibility that Michael Brown could have been on drugs at the time - not that that excuses anything that may have happened nor his actions on video in the convenience store - I'm just curious if a test will be run to see if there was indeed illegal drug use? RobQuote:
Originally Posted by CathyA
PS I can understand more in the case of someone being on crystal meth and having those bugged out eyes and being 292 lbs and 6 4 - I can see why more survival instincts might take over in a cop, especially if he had kids.
No. Not if the thug's trying to grab your,gun. You'd better grab the gun first in that case. That doesn't leave a hand to grab a taser.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Fair enough. I thought tasering basically immobilizes you temporarily so that you can't move - that's why I brought it up. If I'm wrong, so be it. But I still don't understand shoot to kill. How about shoot to hinder, if absolutely necessary? I'd much rather not even know Micheal Brown's name and have him sitting in a jail cell alive right now facing felony charges than have him dead and have the eyes of the world focused on all this drama - and I see huge missteps on both sides as I've said before. Something else that no one seems to be posting - now that the world is so globalized, and any drama shoots off across the Internet in 0 to 60 flat, and given that some of the world has negative opinions already about the US - how is this going to affect us economically, politically, reputation-wise? I see much more depth to this issue and many more consequences than was this justifiable? I'm afraid the being found justifiable will not silence the Internet, or social media, or the black community, or others who don't have much faith or trust in the system to begin with, or the opinions of the rest of the world with whom we trade. This situation is just one big headache and I don't see any happy endings here.....not even for the cop if he is let off scott free, how could his life ever be the same again? RobQuote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I'm sure they'll test for drugs.
I just happened to think of an incident which occurred in the little town in the middle o' nowhere, where I once lived, that has practically no ethnic minorities--maybe a dozen or so individuals now; but that wasn't the case in this incident. Anyway, about 20 years ago, this local boy, who was prolly 6'4, about 280#, went on a rampage because he was mad at someone. He went to their home, and smashed the windows in their car, and barged into their house, and threatened them. After he left, the people called the police, and an officer intercepted the guy at an intersection. The guy got out of his car as the officer was getting out of his cruiser, and a confrontation ensued; Well, the cop didn't draw his gun; the big guy was not armed just BIG and HOSTILE--but the cop had this baton, that has a small handle on the side, and apparently some training in how to use it. Though the cop was considerably smaller than the "suspect", he was able to put the guy on the ground and handcuff him, simply by applying the baton across the guys knees. Or so it said in the newspaper accounts. Maybe they meant some other part of his anatomy. Ha. But, Everyone left the incident, still alive. It makes me think that the Ferguson Police, given that they apparently have to deal with belligerants MORE frequently than the small-town I was describing, could be better prepared to use non-lethal techniques to subdue individuals., in lieu of a gun as their first line of defense. This would hopefully keep the likes of certain opportunistic demagogues, as well as lawyers and the Media off their backs.