Why NOT to vote Republican

Thinking more about Biden, I think one of the reasons he surprised everyone with how well he did is that the pundit class discounts, or outright ignores, the fact that he's COMMITTED to being a bipartisan leader, and has had success in making that happen. The latest evidence of that being the very bipartisan debt ceiling bill. Poll after poll has shown that the average voter, the type that don't follow the daily blood sport of politics closely and who doesn't strongly identify with either party, very strongly want to see more cooperation between the two parties. Biden delivers on that. Couple that with the fact that the republicans can't find anything bad to stick on him because he's a generally nice white grandpa kind of guy who has avoided serious scandal his entire political life, and only the hardest of hardcore republicans think he's a bad person. (the people who actually believe the silliness about Hunter Biden that the untrustworthy failure of a human being Giuliani has been pedaling for years.)

I, like many people, would like to see a younger candidate. (don't even get me started on Feinstein...) But as long as trump continues to be the head of the republican party Biden may well be the best candidate to defeat him. By 2028 trump will likely either be dead or in prison. We can worry about finding a fresher candidate then. For now I'm fine with us sticking with a long tested, tried and true bipartisan guy who regularly gets underestimated by the republican establishment.

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Originally Posted by jp1

Thinking more about Biden, I think one of the reasons he surprised everyone with how well he did is that the pundit class discounts, or outright ignores, the fact that he's COMMITTED to being a bipartisan leader, and has had success in making that happen. The latest evidence of that being the very bipartisan debt ceiling bill. Poll after poll has shown that the average voter, the type that don't follow the daily blood sport of politics closely and who doesn't strongly identify with either party, very strongly want to see more cooperation between the two parties. Biden delivers on that. Couple that with the fact that the republicans can't find anything bad to stick on him because he's a generally nice white grandpa kind of guy who has avoided serious scandal his entire political life, and only the hardest of hardcore republicans think he's a bad person. (the people who actually believe the silliness about Hunter Biden that the untrustworthy failure of a human being Giuliani has been pedaling for years.)

I, like many people, would like to see a younger candidate. (don't even get me started on Feinstein...) But as long as trump continues to be the head of the republican party Biden may well be the best candidate to defeat him. By 2028 trump will likely either be dead or in prison. We can worry about finding a fresher candidate then. For now I'm fine with us sticking with a long tested, tried and true bipartisan guy who regularly gets underestimated by the republican establishment.

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I couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by jp1

Thinking more about Biden, I think one of the reasons he surprised everyone with how well he did is that the pundit class discounts, or outright ignores, the fact that he's COMMITTED to being a bipartisan leader, and has had success in making that happen. The latest evidence of that being the very bipartisan debt ceiling bill.

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I'm not sure spending several months refusing to meet with House leaders to work through a bipartisan resolution shows much bipartisan commitment.

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Couple that with the fact that the republicans can't find anything bad to stick on him because he's a generally nice white grandpa kind of guy who has avoided serious scandal his entire political life, and only the hardest of hardcore republicans think he's a bad person. (the people who actually believe the silliness about Hunter Biden that the untrustworthy failure of a human being Giuliani has been pedaling for years.)

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Regardless of what the press has reported, the latest issue with bribes from the Ukrainian energy company has nothing to do with Giuliani, and the Big Guy actually did solve their problem by threatening to withhold financial support to the country unless the prosecutor going after them was fired. That seems kinda fishy to me.

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Originally Posted by Alan

I'm not sure spending several months refusing to meet with House leaders to work through a bipartisan resolution shows much bipartisan commitment.


Regardless of what the press has reported, the latest issue with bribes from the [/COLOR]Ukrainian energy company has nothing to do with Giuliani, and the Big Guy actually did solve their problem by threatening to withhold financial support to the country unless the prosecutor going after them was fired. That seems kinda fishy to me.

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Considering trumps’s relationship to Ukraine only hardcore republicans (see above) will even remotely care about your drama on this subject.


And regardless of your desire to claim that the debt deal wasn’t bipartisan the numbers of who supported it make you sound as out of touch as trump is with his perspective about the American electorate.

I’d suggest you get out of the failing Fox echo chamber but since you are much smarter than me I’ll just leave you to be baffled when your failing political party falls off a cliff. You should probably chat with Lindsay graham. He predicted this years ago.

I think you have to squint pretty hard to see the debt deal as a masterful triumph for Biden over those wicked Republican snollygosters. He had to move from a refusal to negotiate to major spending concessions. He had to give up all the unspent Covid money and back off on tax hikes. They even cut back on the money for new tax collectors.

Bipartisanship was more of a last resort than a goal he achieved.

I suppose if people think allowing tax cheats to get away with cheating is better than bringing in more of the revenue from laws that were duly passed and signed into law is a good thing then, sure, yay for stopping the IRS from doing its job? I guess we can just add that to the list of proof that republicans just like to talk about law and order rather than actually have law and order.

I find it fascinating that Republicans who lionized the out-of-it old fool Ronald Reagan and smiled at Jerry Ford's pratfalls are all over President Biden for his occasional missteps while they elevate the equally old bloviating criminal Trump to apotheosis.

I'm more than ready for a new--and yes, woke--generation to take over, but not in midstream.

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

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I hope not. No one is worse than traitor trump.

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OK, I give up that Joe Biden, ancient old man with nefarious family dealings in the Ukraine, is going to step down. I accept that. Maybe Kamala Harris will step down and someone who is not ancient or unpalatable will be vice president? These are my fantasies. I am trying to find SOME way to stomach voting for Biden in a Biden versus Trump standoff.

if Biden would do more of pissing off The Squad and they complain loudly and often about it,that goes towards helping me vote for him. Go go Grandpa Joe!

So what is it Republicans don't like about VP Harris? That she once dated Willie Brown? Wears pantsuits? Is a pretty woman of color? As far as I can tell, she's just as unremarkable as most veeps.

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Originally Posted by jp1

I suppose if people think allowing tax cheats to get away with cheating is better than bringing in more of the revenue from laws that were duly passed and signed into law is a good thing then, sure, yay for stopping the IRS from doing its job? I guess we can just add that to the list of proof that republicans just like to talk about law and order rather than actually have law and order.

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Don’t worry. The administrative state will still swell with $60 billion worth of new troops.