Per the scanner feed, all patrol cars are being recalled to stations and will not be on patrol tonight. Will only be responding to serious crimes.
Won't be giving the scumbags any more targets.
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Per the scanner feed, all patrol cars are being recalled to stations and will not be on patrol tonight. Will only be responding to serious crimes.
Won't be giving the scumbags any more targets.
I am thinking fire/ems responses may be impacted as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
Ah well, civilization was nice....
And all because some sociopathic or otherwise trigger-happy cops didn't have the heart/brains/judgment to handle their weapons properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
To Iris Lily's point--we expect our police to be at least a couple of notches smarter/calmer/more self-controlled than the average street criminal. Maybe we're too optimistic.
I think the snipers may have had something to do with it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
The after-the-fact sniper? That guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
It's not unexpected that some loose cannon would respond to a constant drumbeat of unprovoked attacks in an equally violent manner. Obviously, too many homicidal cranks have access to lethal weapons.
I saw a story yesterday that there have been somewhere in the neighborhood of 560 officer involved shootings of civilians this year, 123 of them black. For everyone of those, there have been 40 killed by members of their own race.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I don't think his victims would dismiss him as "after-the-fact".
Really, what do you base that claim on?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
For the record, both the Gun Owners of America & the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms have called for investigations into the shootings.
Realize that we have millions of citizens with the ability to easily execute far more deadly attacks, without the use of firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
And I'm wondering what the outcome of this approach by the police to terminate their negotiations will be:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ect/?tid=a_inl
They sent in a robot, a drone, with a bomb, and blew the fellow up.
Given the low cost of such technologies today, and the large number of trained people who know how to create improvised explosive and chemical weapons, I'm sort of worried we've crossed the bridge.
(I just had a 4 hour class/drill in dealing such things last night, by purest coincidence. It was sort of cold and wet and dismal.)
You really are best served by having nothing to do with cops. Society has sunken to the point that for many their only constructive purpose is the potential for life altering settlements due to misbehavior/blatant disregard for both laws and human rights. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
Bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I work with cops every day. Good, well-trained, brave, caring cops. We generally save lives and prevent Bad Stuff from happening.
[QUOTE=JaneV2.0;246918]And all because some sociopathic or otherwise trigger-happy cops didn't have the heart/brains/judgment to handle their weapons properly.
To Iris Lily's point--we expect our police to be at least a couple of notches smarter/calmer/more self-controlled than the average street criminal. Maybe we're too optimistic.[/QUOTE PLUS 10 million. Rob]
It's a complicated problem. Its a culture clash. Some black people respond in a way that might be accepted in their group, but it's found offensive/aggressive to some whites. I imagine police that work in this all the time get really fed up and frustrated.....but no, it's no reason to use inappropriate force. A certain behavior is expected in a civilized society, and many times you don't find that in certain groups. I do get tired of people crying racism, when they are just expected to act in a reasonable manner.
I sure wish we could know the truth all the time, in situations like the ones in MN and LA. No matter who gets stopped by the police, they just can't start fighting........it ups the potential for a bad outcome immediately.
Nobody can seem to do anything today without someone being up in arms (literally). Too many people don't want to "fit in". Too many people don't want to follow rules..........but at the same time, everybody has rights that can end up in deadlocks.
As you said Bae........civilization was nice while it lasted...
That may be so, Bae, but there is no wayQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
a innocent person can know if their life is at risk simply by asking for directions from a cop. I no longer believe instant pension loss is enough for law breaking sociopathic cops....also a new life in another country never having to work again is necessary, paid for via large settlements sought by not taking it any more members of the general public. And even that's not enough, really. Somehow terror seems to need to be struck into the hearts of psychopaths in uniform. I don't see change happening otherwise. Rob
I wonder....and I know there is no provision in the law for this....but for psychopathic cops who are caught, might exile from the United States not be warranted? The threat of statelessness might just prevent sociopathic behavior from law enforcement. I'd have no problem with exiling such trash.....provided their behavior was both illegal and over the top. Having it on video would probably be necessary, too. Really, this might be a sane, low cost solution that might deter a lot of this behavior on the part of law enforcement. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I have been involved in the past with some of the psychological testing done on potential cops and they are trying hard to weed out people that are psychopaths and or sociopaths but are not always successful. Also cops may start out fine but the nature of the horrible stuff they see everyday starts to take a toll on their psyche. Not a reason to start shooting unarmed people for no reason. Even if they don't start out racist they may end up that way from their day to day interactions with a certain race. Again not an excuse. I also think some cops have gotten trigger happy because many have been killed when doing a routine traffic stop. I would not want anyone I loved to work in that profession. I can remember about 30 years ago when I was working in KS and a a few professional black men said they were very afraid of the police and driving at night because of some of the crap that had happened to people they knew. I think black people are sick of being killed at a whim so then they target white officers for no reason. It all has become a vicious circle.
That's a hateful thing to say, especially in the context of the shootings of the Dallas police officers yesterday. Sickening really.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
It'd serve you right if police, fire, ems just withdrew from your neighborhood entirely - you've indicated in previous postings you live in terror of them, wouldn't call them to aid a neighbor, and mostly want to fight crime with cell phones. Maybe you should put some sort of sign on your door telling first responders you don't ever want to interact with them.
Life in a rural area and association with cops due to your profession and being in a poor, black ghetto in a big city are 2 entirely different experiences.
It seems to me this kind of statement evinces the same kind of prejudiced thinking you're so eager to impute to police officers.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Bingo. Very much true. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
And it's not hateful for cops to shoot at whim for no real reason and often face no consequences? I'm not following you, Bae. At least my suggestions don't cost them their lives, unlike their actions can and do for innocent Americans every day. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
I did not say that, now did I? (And your statement/question reeks of "When did you stop beating your wife?"...)Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Instead of attacking Rob why not address some of the issues in this complicated matter?
What issues would you have me address?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Thank You, Terry. And I agree with you - this is a complicated matter, it's not all easily cut and dry. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Some of the issues on both sides that I mentioned in 2 of my posts earlier today. If there was one quick easy solution I think we would have found it by now. Also suing for lots of $ or throwing cops out of the country are not going to work either. Police need to be held to a standard and if they kill people without cause they need to go to prison just like anyone else.
His manifesto reads like a Hippocratic Oath for police officers, though I might not refer to "toxic masculinity."
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...m_source=atlfb
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...e-0141854-g008
Interesting study on the likelihood of getting shot by police. Apparently unarmed black men are about 3.49 times more likely to be shot by cops than unarmed white men.
And overall they found that armed white men are about equally likely to be shot by cops as unarmed black men. The differences vary quite a bit by county, but a few counties stood out as especially disparate. From that part of the study:
"It is notable that Miami-Dade (FL, contains Miami), Harris (TX, contains Houston), and Cook (IL, contains Chicago), stand out as counties where the ratio of {black, unarmed, and shot by police} to {white, armed, and shot by police} is elevated to 19.08"
I thought about your post here for a couple of days before responding. It's not an easy post for me to respond to as in theory I agree with you 100 percent, i.e., if we could just place cops who kill for no reason into prison I'd be content with that. Good luck with that......most often police seem to have license to kill, whether appropriate or not, with little to no consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Huge settlements are necessary as retaliation against a system in which there are no real checks or balances upon police power. I'd love to have officers who kill on the flimsiest of excuses or for no reason whatsoever stripped of their citizenship, and exiled from the US, stateless and forced to live in a refugee camp for years. This to me, though I realize this would never happen in real life, would be appropriate retaliation that would cause such officers to suffer but would keep them alive, unlike their victims.
My overall point here is for those who don't understand, this issue has spiraled into dispensing appropriate retaliation at this point as America had proved repeatedly that the lives of innocent people of a certain race are not worth fixing this problem. Watch for retaliation to become worse and more brazen as America has made it clear that there is no hope for change. Rob
My question is....how do we as a society fix this? How do we even get some to understand that there is a real problem here that needs fixing? I personally don't have much if any hope on this one and dread the continued downward spiral on this issue that America has earned. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by jp1
This is very interesting to me, and makes some sense of reconciling the police officers I know with what is happening
http://thegrio.com/2015/05/12/fbi-wh...w-enforcement/
Perhaps the very model of policing we use today is fundamentally flawed:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-mu...b_7871434.html
This was an interesting watch:
https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g
Phoenix activist who protested against police shootings went through shoot/no shoot training with the local sheriff's department.
I actually kind of like this idea. Instead of turning police into glorified meter maids to generate revenue for their city have them actually focus on real crime instead of BS like selling loose cigarettes or busted taillights.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
And citizens and politicians need to realize that when they demand these sort of BS laws be passed in the first place ("no soda sales larger than 16 ounces") they are really saying "I'm willing to have an armed police officer use lethal force and shoot you dead if you disagree".Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
My county passes BS "feel good" laws every year, rarely doing the people passing the things think of the consequences. Luckily, here, the current Sheriff doesn't enforce the silly stuff, but each year the code book gets thicker.
Must be all sorts of fun living in a community where local law enforcement/government decide to use this stuff to raise revenue, or to oppress unfavored classes of people...
I favor the "fireman" approach to law enforcement. Also it was interesting to read the article stating that white supremacists are becoming cops-ugh!!
I like the "photograph and send a ticket" approach, like speed cameras, for things like busted tail lights. No need to pull anyone over, nothing gets escalated.
I also like body cameras on officers and GoPro cameras in vehicles, as well as security cameras generally. However, citizens have to realize the tradeoff of 24 hour surveillance vs. privacy and freedom, and right now I believe most are ready to sacrifice that for their security. London (CCTV everywhere), here we come.
Two more data points: Timothy McVeigh, the bomber of the Oklahoma City federal building (168 killed), was caught 90 minutes after the bombing when he was pulled over by a highway patrol officer for driving without a license plate. Jodi Arias, convicted murderer of Travis Alexander, was stopped and questioned about an upside down license plate. (It was not what led to her being captured, but it placed her in an area at a certain point in the time line of the crime.)
So if we really don't want more proactive policing, we have to realize these 2 would never have been stopped in the first place.
I dont want less proactive policing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lainey
Just making that clear.
But they weren't stopped. They were caught after the fact. The damage had already been done. Truly proactive policing would have prevented their acts. But proactive policing seems to mainly be about stop and frisk and other such crap. Cast a wide enough net and surely you'll catch a couple of fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lainey
Personally I wish the fourth amendment still existed more than just theoretically.