Actually I think you’re a poser. You don’t fit any of them. You just like calling yourself a deplorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
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Actually I think you’re a poser. You don’t fit any of them. You just like calling yourself a deplorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I can assure you that in modern parlance I am a racist, as are you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Which is why I don’t care about whatever opinionated adjective is applied to me.
Except you applied it to yourself. I"m reminded of a time, 15 years ago or so, when SO and I still lived in Jersey City. We were going somewhere on the lightrail and a really cleancut kid, maybe 6th or 7th grade, kept saying to someone on the phone "Yo, I'm G man, I'm Gangsta." And had to keep repeating himself because the person on the other end must have disagreed with this kid's self assessment. After he got off the train SO turned to me and said "no one riding the light rail is G."Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Progressive sadness: maladaptive
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/o...e-sadness.html
You only need to peruse the reader comments to see the truth of what Brooks is saying. Angry. Bitter. Paranoid. Belligerent. Hostile. Certainly not the product of cheerful minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Thomas Sowell said something to the effect that he believes all people should be treated equally and judged by the same standards; and that sixty years ago they would call him a radical, thirty years ago they would call him a liberal, today they call him a racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I have no problem with this idea, except the second part is generally applied without the first condition having been met, and therein lies the difficulty.Quote:
all people should be treated equally and judged by the same standards
Apparently the Arizona governor’s press secretary really hated her job. She wasn’t gonna survive THIS ridiculous tweet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ansphobes.html
I tried to post the actual image, but the software here takes forever anymore to post an image.
there’s so many things one could say about this tweet, but it’s pretty obvious that this is someone who should not be in a high-level government job. And she wonders why any reasonable person believes they have the right to have a gun to protect themselves against people like her
The last thing I’m thinking about after the Nashville school shooting is the feelings of trans folks and I don’t really think shooting people who act in “transphobic” ways* is an appropriate response.
* any more, transphobic actions mean simply asking questions about the lack of science around gender transition. That’s now enough to get you killed apparently..
I've noticed this t-shirt design popping up over the last month, previous to the shooting of the other day, sort of a variant on the "molon labe" theme I suspect:Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
https://onerockin.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/a.jpg
Here's the tweet. Between her and the woman in Nashville, it looks like this weekends 'Trans Day Of Vengeance' has started early.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03...0067953973.jpg
I read the Trans Day of Vengeance (whatever that is) will be Friday of this week. I continue to wonder why we care what people's sex organs are. It's really nobody's business.
I had to look up Molon labe. yes, I ‘spose.
I listened to a six hour podcast called “The Witch Trials of JK Rowling” that included interviews with Rowling, her supporters, her fans and former fans, her deniers, and some historians knowledgeable about mob hysteria and witches. it was a very well done production of Megan Phelps- Roper. Megan Phelps is from a famous family, yes THAT Phelps family, the Westboro Baptist church.
She overthrew the reins of her family’s influence and became a journalist, a very hard-working journalist. This podcast was put out by the Free Press a new organization trying to get away from mainstream news problems.
Megan Phelps, due to her early indoctrination, now strives to present information that is entirely truthful and sincere. I admired her for how she told that reasonable people who used to engage her when she was marching with Westboro gradually helped her see the error of her position. By the way, her family is full of attorneys, she said they were 13 in her extended family, including her mother.
My takeaways from this very thoughtful production are:
* J. K. Rowling is a strong feminist who comes to those ideas through feminist theory of the 1970s plus
* she has read widely on the trans gender issue, all “sides “lots of social media & academic journals, etc. A wide range.
* she did not want to become involved in the social dialogue about trans issues, but because she saw too many people lose their jobs, lose their livelihood, lose writing jobs and board positions and etc.m for speaking in “transphobic” ways she spoke up
* she is very concerned about the authoritarian left shutting down free speech
* she considers herself a progressive lefty
* she believes eroding of “women “as a unique biological entity will bring harm to women in many ways
* she’s adamant that men who have not spent some time transitioning should not be incarcerated with women or allowed in women’s spaces
I’m convinced she is sincere, and she’s absolutely right about the authoritarian actions and shutting down of free speech.
I don’t know how the “women’s spaces “thing is going to shake out, so I’m not so much on board with that but can see her points.
It was very sad to hear all the Harry Potter fans, kids eho grow up deep in that world, who feel abandoned and hurt by J. K. Rowling‘s seemingly inconsistent worldview now. Rowling says her worldview hasn’t changed, that Harry Potter and his colleagues were shown to search for truth, transparency, and openness and that is what brought many of the dark forces to light in the books.
Widespread medicalized treatment of minors for transition is wrong, especially when done without thorough mental health evaluation. The affirmation model is wrong. Cutting off breasts, stunting physical development, making permanent, irrevocable changes to children’s bodies is wrong. They cannot understand long term consequences nor give informed consent.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
Sure, adult can do whatever they like, and they do.
I am agreeing with you a lot lately IL:)).
Yet we allow circumcision. Of infants. Who have NO voice in it at all. And we allow parents or doctors to "decide" on the sex of an infant who is born with both male and female reproductive elements. Not saying I'm for or against - I am not sure there's enough real evidence to decide this easily. If a young trans person is denied "gender affirming care" are they more likely to be at risk for depression, drug abuse, suicide? Do those count as risks for NOT allowing gender affirming care? And if care is withheld on the grounds of harm, what is the rationale for denying the use of personal pronouns? Is that harmful the the young person in question? Or is it just an affront to the hard right? I don't see this as all that clear on either side, but I see no excuse for NOT allowing the kids to determine their pronouns, for heaven's sake!!
Kids can determine their pronouns, who gives a fk, just as they can determine their hair color, their nickname, their real name, and if they want to consider their gender “Butterfly” OK that’s fine. No one cares, it’s when they start carving up their bodies or making permanent changes to bone, muscle, etc. with cross sex hormones or hormone blockers, that’s when it’s a concern to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by early morning
Thoughtful parents are rethinking the whole circumcision thing. With circumcision or medical lysed, trans fission, all I want is thoughtful educated parents guiding their kids. If every child had that it would be a great thing. That is one of the main complaints of a whistleblower here in St. Louis, that her gender clinic treated street kids, and they had no one in the corner to give sage advice, and they got so juch bad medicine practiced on them.
You are behind the times if you think current medical practice is to assign a sex to babies with ambiguous genitalia. That practice went out the window 20–30 years ago, maybe 40 years now. That old practice was “The Science” and it maimed people.
But people DO care, some of them, and are passing laws saying teachers are not allowed to use gender pronouns if they don't match the birth-recorded gender of their students. THAT is a problem. If I understand you to be saying that THOUGHTFUL PARENTS should be allowed to work with their children to get them gender-affirming care, then I totally agree with you. I also agree there should be no surgery to change physical presentations of gender before the legal age of consent, and I would not at all be against mandated NON RELIGIOUS counseling prior to any such surgery - which many surgeons already require (but I don't know if that's a law or just following best practice). But saying parents have the right to determine what schools teach, impacting kids other than their own, but don't have the right to seek appropriate gender care for their own child is just wrong.Quote:
Kids can determine their pronouns, who gives a fk, just as they can determine their hair color, their nickname, their real name, and if they want to consider their gender “Butterfly” OK that’s fine. No one cares, it’s when they start carving up their bodies or making permanent changes to bone, muscle, etc. with cross sex hormones or hormone blockers, that’s when it’s a concern to me.
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Originally Posted by early morning
yes, agreed, lawmakers need to stay out of it.
I would like the medical community and the parenting community to do a better job.
Oh, it's still assigned, in most cases. Just with much more thought, hopefully!Quote:
You are behind the times if you think current medical practice is to assign a sex to babies with ambiguous genitalia.
"The first step of management is to identify the cause of atypical genitalia. Then, your baby’s healthcare provider will put together a treatment plan and sex assignment based on hormone tests and other test results."
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...uous-genitalia
And YES, lawmakers do need to stay out of it!
I think it’s not a good idea for our President Joe Biden to joke about the Nashville shootings, but no doubt those here will disagree.
I think it’s even stupider for his administration to cater to those in the “trans aligned space” by sympathizing with how hard the trans community has it because one of their own killed children in a Nashville school. I conclude from reviewing mutterings from that “trans aligned space” that it’s quite difficult for that community to hear Audrey Hale being called by her birth name. Very painful. The name calling probably is the most horrific thing to come out of the Nashville tragedy.
Attachment 5330For anyone who thinks I am not properly sympathetic to those in the “trans aligned space” here’s some transgirl/big gun cheesecake.
Attachment 5329
It appears that wanton chopping of body bits on gender ambiguous children isn't the panacea it once was, even admitted to in your citation under Management and Treatment:”…But reconstructive surgery for atypical genitalia is controversial…”Quote:
Originally Posted by early morning
Controversial. Gosh, ya think?
Your argument that if we semi castrate male babies with circumcision we might as well mutilate children’s primary and secondary sex organs before they can fully understand consequences is not convincing.
Quite a large number of men when asked if they want to be circumcised reply they do not. There are organizations formed against the practice.
What does circumcision have to do with voting democratic?
I was really saying ANY gender surgery for those who are not of the age of consent should be approached with GREAT CAUTION, if at all.
Are you kidding? The Democratic party is all about supportive care of trans kids including trimming pieces of their flesh from private areas if their bodies that offend. Your buddy Joe Biden issued a directive about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Early Morning made the circumcision analogy in message #55 on this thread.
This, then, I agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by early morning
Why does the Democratic Party promote the opposite?
I think you are reading something into this that is not there. I know when my son was born it was common practice (never even thought not to do it) to circumcise your child at birth. At the time, I voted republican. So, how circumcision is a democratic issue is beyond me. The issue had nothing to do with political party and still don't think it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Circumcision is not a democratic party issue. You are making that assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
You posted this in why not to vote democrat.....Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
OMG, I am sorry I brought it up, lol. I don't think either party is currently pushing circumcision, I was taking issue with the idea that changing children's bodies is some great leftist conspiracy.
I did not make the circumcision analogy, OK? The word “circumcision” was not uttered by me until someone else first used it in an analogy to body mutilation of minors.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
To. Be. Very. Clear: I do not think the societal issue of circumcision is one associated with, created by, or the exclusive province of the Democratic party.
This week Joe Biden declared he was going to be running for president. Again. 70% of Democrats according to an NBC poll are concerned about his advanced age. Gosh, ya think?
I need a really good T-shirt meme that expresses the idea “oh dear God, not again trump versus Biden.” if anyone sees one, let me know.
Or maybe I’ll just pull out my Reagan/Bush t-shirt and wear it in the countdown to the 2024 election.
Okay---You kids wanna yammer on about Big Guns, but nunnaya answered my quiz question about Ammo, over there. But yeah---which two are "assault rifle" rounds, and which was the baddest round in WW2 as well as the type that was fired at Dr King?
My Springfield Model 1873 Army rifle firing the 45-70 cartridge will go through 2.5” of seasoned oak planks, and about 6” into the wet sand backing behind the planks. At 2500 yards. The Army’s test report of the trials in 1879 contain the supporting data. Of course, that was with the low-pressure cartridge that the metallurgy of the time required. The same cartridge today can be loaded to a considerably higher level of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebittybobby
The 45-70 projectile is ~8x-10x the weight of the typical projectile fired by the evil AR-15, and will stop a charging grizzly bear (even if it is hiding behind a rhinoceros…), whereas the “high powered” projectile of the AR-15 is not legal to use for deer hunting in many states because it is considered to not be powerful enough for that purpose…
I use the 45-70 as my preferred utility cartridge, in a 1895-vintage lever action firearm. The rate of aimed fire is quite decent, the limiting factor is really your shoulder’s ability to not fall off.
He’s going to “Get this job done” and “Fight for the soul of America”. His basement must be well-stocked with platitudes. I think they should go with “Apres moi, Kamala”.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
A Trump campaign would pretty much be a sort of bullying revenge tour, with no hope of beating even a nebbish like Biden. The man is electoral poison. That’s why the Democrats are trying so hard to make him look inevitable.
I suppose there could be some relative thanks that it's not Hillary?
Hillary is not as ancient as Joe Biden. I might prefer her over him, the Hillary before she got out of politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
If Trump is the fricken candidate on the Republican side, I’m going to have to vote for one of these fricken Democrats, and y’all could’ve done a better job. There is speculation that Biden would’ve stepped down for 2024 had Kamala Harris not been such a complete loser.
Losers, maniacs, and old people. Let’s unplug the United States and plug it back in to see if that makes things work better in the election cycle.
Okay---Rermember when the Media Buzzword was: "High-Power Rifle"? Yup. Awhilwe back, all the evildoers were possessed by a "high-powered rifle", which caused them to commit atrocious crimes. But---in the 1940's, there was a gradual shift toward auto and semi-auto carbines, even though long rifles with long cartridges still played a major role--especially for snipers. But yeah---here's the quiz photo, again. Which two cartridges fit "Assault rifles", and which fit "High Powered Rifles"? Attachment 5397Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Big game hunting is popular around here. A few country friends do some rifle hunting and know places to go out of the way. My city hunting acquaintances mostly do muzzle loading or archery to say out of the way of the good old boys that come up from the south with their four wheelers during rifle season. I tried it with a long bow years ago, but it's just not in me.
I love the idea of a reset button. I was wondering what the conservatives here will do if it winds up being Trump/Biden. I agree that it's a bit of a dilemma. I was wondering if Biden would/could "fire" Harris as a VP and put someone more interesting in that spot, like Buttigieg, Whitmer, Klobuchar, or my pal Bernie (who of course would never be chosen as a VP under Biden).Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies