Let the deportations begin?

Deportations are nothing new. One can look up the exact numbers, but there is speculation Obama deported more that Trump in his first term. It does seem like Biden might have been thinking about it but fell asleep. I'm thinking there is a possibility that Trump will start out strong on the issue, and much like his other promises will peter out quickly, just like his lame attempt to build the medieval wall. There will be legal challenges. The ACLU says they've been preparing for this possibility for over a year. Trump may have the courts in his back pocket but it will at least clog things up in the system.

To deport such a large part of the work force just doesn't make good business sense (or any other good sense) and is also probably bad for golf course maintenance.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jp1

The upper middle class straight white old person privilege they display is galling to say the least.

---

You forgot “neurotypical”.

If the shoe fits.

Denver is a sanctuary city and the city's mayor has been featured in the news lately saying he would not cooperate with the deportations and would resist any use of the military. The new deportation czar, whose name I've missed, says he would send the mayor to jail if he didn't cooperate. And the mayor said he would go to jail if it came to that. I've not see anything in the news about how other sanctuary cities are reacting, but it's early.

I've seen where Texas has offered 1400 acres to Trump for a detention facility. From my brief excursions into Texas, that's not any big deal.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rogar

Denver is a sanctuary city and the city's mayor has been featured in the news lately saying he would not cooperate with the deportations and would resist any use of the military. The new deportation czar, whose name I've missed, says he would send the mayor to jail if he didn't cooperate. And the mayor said he would go to jail if it came to that. I've not see anything in the news about how other sanctuary cities are reacting, but it's early.

I've seen where Texas has offered 1400 acres to Trump for a detention facility. From my brief excursions into Texas, that's not any big deal.

---

I like what Tom Homan said on the matter: “If he’s willing to go, I’m willing to send him”. I did hear that the mayor walked back his promise to oppose the feds with local cops.

It looks like there will be an overabundance of histrionics concerning illegal immigration over the next year or two.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LDAHL

I like what Tom Homan said on the matter: “If he’s willing to go, I’m willing to send him”. I did hear that the mayor walked back his promise to oppose the feds with local cops.

It looks like there will be an overabundance of histrionics concerning illegal immigration over the next year or two.

---

I want Rachel Maddow to cry again over deportation. I wonder if that kind of performative nonverbal commentary is written into her contract.

She had to take a $5 million pay cut due to declining business at MSNBC .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tybee

Lazarus wrote the poem in 1883 to raise money for the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty. In 1880, immigrants represented 13.3% of the US population. In 2023, they represented 14.3% of the US population.

U.S. Immigrant Population and Share over Time, 185.. | migrationpolicy.org

---

I want to circle back to this statistic and thank you for it because that puts legal immigration into perspective. I mean, I think we’re talking about legal immigrants here?

Getting a handle on the number of people here in the United States illegally is difficult and I don’t even know how they would’ve counted that back in 1880.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by iris lilies

I want Rachel Maddow to cry again over deportation. I wonder if that kind of performative nonverbal commentary is , written into her contract. As an aside, she had to take a $5 million pay cut due to declining business at MSNBC .

---

Joe Rogan told Elon Musk that if he buys MSNBC he’d be happy to take Maddow’s job. He said he’d even wear the same glasses and tell the same lies. I think he was kidding, though. That would represent a significant pay cut from what he’s making now.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-ro...usk-buys-msnbc

I imagine Elon gets some ego building by expressing how powerful his riches are. I think he is basically motivated by insecurity. Maybe Bezos will buy Fox.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LDAHL

Joe Rogan told Elon Musk that if he buys MSNBC he’d be happy to take Maddow’s job. He said he’d even wear the same glasses and tell the same lies. I think he was kidding, though. That would represent a significant pay cut from what he’s making now.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-ro...usk-buys-msnbc

---

Rogan is having fun with the ladies of The View.. One of them claimed Joe Rogan believes in dragons. This was immediately following her statement praising her own crew on The View for being serious journalists who never tell lies. That was in the same segment where Sunny what’s her name had to read a “ legal note” Correcting some lie she had told earlier about Matt Gaetz. I’m not making this up! These people are nuts.

so Rogan immediately changed his Twitter byline to “believer in dragons” and he is riffing on this new identity quite a bit.

When Old Lady Legacy media goes after new media, it’s never a good outcome for the old lady.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rogar

Maybe Bezos will buy Fox.

---

Wrangling the divas at the Washington Post and the prima donnas at Fox would be a challenge worthy of his mettle.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by iris lilies

Rogan is having fun with the ladies of The View.. One of them claimed Joe Rogan believes in dragons. This was immediately following her statement praising her own crew on The View for being serious journalists who never tell lies. That was in the same segment where Sunny what’s her name had to read a “ legal note” Correcting some lie she had told earlier about Matt Gaetz. I’m not making this up! These people are nuts.

so Rogan immediately changed his Twitter byline to “believer in dragons” and he is riffing on this new identity quite a bit.

When Old Lady Legacy media goes after new media, it’s never a good outcome for the old lady.

---

It’s like he has his own version of “OK Boomer”.

The View was never much on my radar until this most recent election. I was aware of them as a sort of woke haven on daytime TV, but never paid that much attention. Then in the lead up to the recent election my various feeds began filling up with clips of them saying odd things. They seem to fill the same ecological niche on the right as that old reliable “Fox News Talking Points” did for the left.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LDAHL

I like what Tom Homan said on the matter: “If he’s willing to go, I’m willing to send him”. I did hear that the mayor walked back his promise to oppose the feds with local cops.

It looks like there will be an overabundance of histrionics concerning illegal immigration over the next year or two.

---

If I remember from the last Trump regime of promised deportations and his medieval wall, rounding up of any purported illegals is the sole responsibility of the Feds and localities can resist by not providing help from their police agencies, facilities such as jails and the sharing of information. That seemed like a legal way of resisting last time around and maybe how sanctuary cities got started in the first place? Whether that will hold for the new world order is another issue.

The Denver mayor mentioned pulling children out of schools and separating families. How it all goes down is yet to be seen, the the enormity of what Trump says he will do on his first day is logistically improbable even in longer time spans, but I imagine both of the mayor's fears are very possible.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rogar

If I remember from the last Trump regime of promised deportations and his medieval wall, rounding up of any purported illegals is the sole responsibility of the Feds and localities can resist by not providing help from their police agencies, facilities such as jails and the sharing of information. That seemed like a legal way of resisting last time around and maybe how sanctuary cities got started in the first place? Whether that will hold for the new world order is another issue.

The Denver mayor mentioned pulling children out of schools and separating families. How it all goes down is yet to be seen, the the enormity of what Trump says he will do on his first day is logistically improbable even in longer time spans, but I imagine both of the mayor's fears are very possible.

---

I think we will be hearing a lot of overheated rhetoric in the immediate future. Illegal immigration was such a winning issue for Trump, it’s hard to picture him moderating his tone in office. There seems to be a sizable portion of the public that sees mass deportation as a reasonable response to mass illegal immigration. Whether that remains true if it actually happens is anyone’s guess.

The “resistance” politicians striking heroic poses now, and painting lurid pictures of Gestapo raids and weeping children may run up against reduced federal funding and voter dissatisfaction if they actually follow through.

Given our limited capacity to perform deportations, I suspect what we will see in practice is a somewhat ramped up version of the efforts already being made, and probably less waving-through into “temporary protected status” than before. But with an increased decibel level.

I’m all in favor of it. Why should people think they can just walk into the US without consequences? If someone wanted to cross the border going south, Mexico would kick you out on your ear if you didn’t have the proper paperwork, required financial resources, etc.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tradd

I’m all in favor of it. Why should people think they can just walk into the US without consequences? If someone wanted to cross the border going south, Mexico would kick you out on your ear if you didn’t have the proper paperwork, required financial resources, etc.

---

I think there are two problems with different solutions. Allowing people to come into the country illegally is one and has been handled poorly for along time. What to do with people here illegally, but have been here for years or even generations and might have important jobs for our economy and in work our own citizens would be reluctant to take, even at a higher wage. Food services, agriculture, construction, cement work, roofing, etc. If Donald starts with what he calls criminals it's not even going to put a dent in the 13 million or so that are here (he's claimed a much higher but probably false number). So what to do with the other, say 12 million? I don't see where even any start of a mass deportation can work logistically and without an economic disruption. Deportation may be a part of an answer, but it's not going to solve everything and I'm not so sure it is the right thing to do ethically on such a scale, especially with consideration for children who have been here a while or grown up here and for families.

A best solution as I see it is to give some of these people a path to citizenship or at least a way to work here legally under certain terms of duration and registration and without some complicated process and long wait. And an expeditious way seek asylum form oppression. No doubt some should be returned.

Of course Donald may just be bluffing to slow down immigration out of fear or to appeal to his base to win the election. Or some sort of deal scheme yet to be revealed. He promised something similar his last go around and after a while people forgot or it was over shadowed by the Covid epidemic.

Deporting people isn't free. Overhead, manpower, detention facilities with medical facilities and food, paperwork, transportation, etc. The figure I've seen around is $15,000 per person but it's probably a difficult number to estimate. But using that figure times ten million or so it gets expensive.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by iris lilies

Rogan is having fun with the ladies of The View.. One of them claimed Joe Rogan believes in dragons. This was immediately following her statement praising her own crew on The View for being serious journalists who never tell lies. That was in the same segment where Sunny what’s her name had to read a “ legal note” Correcting some lie she had told earlier about Matt Gaetz. I’m not making this up! These people are nuts.

so Rogan immediately changed his Twitter byline to “believer in dragons” and he is riffing on this new identity quite a bit.

When Old Lady Legacy media goes after new media, it’s never a good outcome for the old lady.

---

Can’t trust anything you see on Fox News. They paid big bucks because they were pedaling lies!

I believe there will be editing of news sources after trump gets into office. He has promised retribution to those who spoke out against him. Autocracy here we come!

It's interesting how the Muskwhammy's are now at odds with the hard core GOPs over Silicon Valley foreign hires. Sort of a NIMBY thing where maybe you can restrict farm and construction workers, but heaven forbid you disrupt the digital world where each has made their fortune. https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...y-immigration/

Musk called the hard core GOPers "contemplable fools" who must be removed.

In the end, I'm guessing the deportations will be far less than the talk.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rogar

It's interesting how the Muskwhammy's are now at odds with the hard core GOPs over Silicon Valley foreign hires. Sort of a NIMBY thing where maybe you can restrict farm workers, but heaven forbid you disrupt the digital world where each has made their fortune. https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...y-immigration/

In the end, I'm guessing the deportations will be far less than the talk.

---

I think when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tybee

I think when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

---

The latest rhetoric is that they plan to put children born in the US, who are citizens, in halfway houses when they deport their parents:

Trump border czar Tom Homan suggests US-born children of illegal migrants could be held in halfway houses (msn.com)

It looks like the deportations are about number one for Trump's first day. My guess is that he will somehow make a big show of it to serve as an example, but may be more bark than bite? I'm still wondering how illegals would be identified. It's probably simple, but it's not like you raise your hand and say yes, I'm here illegally and here's my address and work place. The regional meat packing plant was notorious for hiring illegals and has been raided by ICE enough times that they must have wised up by now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rogar

It looks like the deportations are about number one for Trump's first day. My guess is that he will somehow make a big show of it to serve as an example, but may be more bark than bite? I'm still wondering how illegals would be identified. It's probably simple, but it's not like you raise your hand and say yes, I'm here illegally and here's my address and work place. The regional meat packing plant was notorious for hiring illegals and has been raided by ICE enough times that they must have wised up by now.

---

I agree there will be lots of noise and cameras trained on this deportation effort. Actual people will have to leave our country. But the numbers? Probably won’t make much of a dent.

They do have the information that the government put when they took people to other states, so there are government records, it's a start.

Doesn't mean people won't migrate.

Denver is a sanctuary city and evening news interviewed one of the school officials on how they would handle it if authorities tried to enter a school to grab children. Their official plan if federal authorities try to enter a school is that the school will immediately go into lockdown where no one enters or leaves and legal authorities would be contacted. It sounds like a complicated issue.

okay----this steers the topic in a different direction, but I'm hoping yObama would take his lavish pension and his SS Dtail to Haiti, and make a meteoric rise to the top(to use some media-ese), and lead that impoverished country to prosperity. Just to show us he can. Ha. Hope that helps you kids. Thankk mee.

Trump will probably ramp things up, but the news about raids and military planes is probably a lot of media hype so far. Raids, deportations and flights returning illegal immigrants is not new and the numbers so far that the news I've seen are just a token amount. I'm going to go with another Trump bluff to some degree but not totally. I don't think even Trump is dumb enough to deport the millions he's talking about. However, there could be a lot of new job opportunities if it weren't for the fact that we're at near full employment.

Attachment 6198

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rogar

Denver is a sanctuary city and evening news interviewed one of the school officials on how they would handle it if authorities tried to enter a school to grab children. Their official plan if federal authorities try to enter a school is that the school will immediately go into lockdown where no one enters or leaves and legal authorities would be contacted. It sounds like a complicated issue.

---

I have always wondered what “Sanctuary City” really meams when push comes to shove, so maybe we will find out,

St. louis is a “Sanctuary city” for reproductive rights and that has never been clear to me what it actually means. I don’t think the majority of Aldermen know either.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by iris lilies

I have always wondered what “Sanctuary City” really meams when push comes to shove, so maybe we will find our.

St. louis is a “Sanctuary city” for reproductive rights and that has never been clear to me what it actually means. I don’t think the Aldermen know either.

---

"There’s no legal definition for the term “sanctuary city.” Generally, it refers to municipalities that are unwilling to assist federal immigration authorities and support immigrant-friendly policies. The designation is typically a self-imposed, symbolic gesture of acceptance to immigrants and asylum-seekers."

Best as I can tell from Denver, who I think they said received 40,000 immigrants in busloads from Texas, is that local law enforcement will not assist ICE in a wholesale round up of immigrants. They notify the feds when and where an illegal immigrant might be released from jail and of course enforce other laws. And they won't resist as long as the feds stay out of churches and schools. And they will provide them some forms of aid like temporary housing and food. As closest as I've been to Denver, there was a mess of immigrants in homeless camps and begging on street corners and it was obviously not a good situation. From whatever I could tell from the news, they wanted work, but didn't have the required permits or there just weren't job openings. A few were ,or are, probably in gangs or cartels.

Some of the suburbs and other towns have made a point in saying they are not a sanctuary city, for what ever value that has.

At least to date, sanctuary status has been similar to land acknowledgment statements or those “in this house” signs. Pretty much a cost free risk free gesture. It will be interesting to see if anyone takes it farther than that.

Round ups are reputed to start in Denver Thursday. ICE may be making a dent in things. A reporter travelled to Guatemala where the arriving refugees were being greeted by the vice president. She said the numbers arriving are about the same as under Biden but they are coming in military airplanes instead of commercial aircraft. He interviewed two people. One was a woman who had lived in the US for eight years and had been charged with child neglect for not using a child's seat in her car. Another had been in the US for 19 years and convicted of trespassing. Hardly violent crimes, although I have mixed feelings about immigrants living here illegally.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LDAHL

At least to date, sanctuary status has been similar to land acknowledgment statements or those “in this house” signs. Pretty much a cost free risk free gesture. It will be interesting to see if anyone takes it farther than that.

---

Considering Missouri's Sanctuary 2A state went to the court and lost on a technicality, I expect the sanctuary city thing will fair no better.

Our local news predicted round ups last week including Trump's notorious Aurora and the sanctuary city of Denver. Other than a few of the usual normal drug busts of illegals, so far it's been pretty much a nothing burger.

The St. Louis sub-reddit was ablaze because ICE showed up at a Mexican restaurant and hauled off one person.

Protests took place downtown about, apparently, immigration tactics since that is what all signs I viewed (via photo) were about.

So far just another day in St. Louis, protestors protesting things many Americans agree with.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by iris lilies

So far just another day in St. Louis, protestors protesting things many Americans agree with.

---

So were the protesters not citizens of the Unites States? If so, doesn't seem like a good idea to have illegal immigrants protest all in one place and be easy for ICE.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff

So were the protesters not citizens of the Unites States? If so, doesn't seem like a good idea to have illegal immigrants protest all in one place and be easy for ICE.

---

There was apparently a protest in Dallas with many illegals. It would have been like fishing in a barrel.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff

So were the protesters not citizens of the Unites States? If so, doesn't seem like a good idea to have illegal immigrants protest all in one place and be easy for ICE.

---

I assume most of them are citizens.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-freewa...al-immigration

here is a pointless protest. Los Angeles freeway was blocked on both sides by protesters waving Mexican and other South American flags. Trying to drive through LA on a good day is very busy. So blocking a freeway anywhere blocks workers going to work, medical and emergency services, people with small children and everyday citizens just living their life. Stupid and dangerous. And it takes law enforcement away from doing more useful things with their time.

how in the world will this be seen as favorable to their cause? It only leads to more anti immigrant sentiment and more support for Trumps policies.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-freewa...al-immigration

here is a pointless protest. Los Angeles freeway was blocked on both sides by protesters waving Mexican and other South American flags. Trying to drive through LA on a good day is very busy. So blocking a freeway anywhere blocks workers going to work, medical and emergency services, people with small children and everyday citizens just living their life. Stupid and dangerous. And it takes law enforcement away from doing more useful things with their time.

how in the world will this be seen as favorable to their cause? It only leads to more anti immigrant sentiment and more support for Trumps policies.

---

That goes for anyone with the stupid idea to protest by blocking roads. I always say it’s too bad it’s illegal to run over people blocking the road. They certainly are effing clueless blocking the road.

For a few years I have been watching Cash Jordan’s New York City videoa. He is a rental agent who takes viewers on tours of NYC apartments and their neighborhoods.

In the past few days he pivoted to making videos narrating ICE actions in the Sanctuary City of New York. ICE picking up criminals. The illegal immigrant criminal gangs in NYC are a big problem on the streets, in shelters, with businesses. They intimidate other immigrants. They steal. They use enormous amounts of police resources, already in shortages.

I am actually shocked Cash and his fellow New Yorkers are enthusiastic about what is happening there with the deportations. They are praising Trump policies. His videos which normally get a few hundred thousand views are getting views into the millions for his deportation videos. He is providing very good “man on the ground” scenes of reality in this turbulent time.

sample videos from Cash on NYC deportations:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWAl6...aCBqb3JkYW4%3D


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDKost...aCBqb3JkYW4%3D

IL, I watched a few minutes of each video. The guy probably has a point, although I don't think the situation is as obvious as he presents. At least from my perspective from the news of Denver's sanctuary status, he is misleading. Sanctuary status doesn't protect criminals or avoid their arrests for crimes or hide them. They get some housing and food. They are protected from ICE in schools, churches, and maybe hospitals. From our news, local authorities actually work together with ICE and DEA to round up violent criminals, gang members, and drug dealers. They don't assist ICE with deportation proceedings that are a part of federal law. They notify ICE when an illegal person arrested for crimes is set to be released. I would think of the failure of the control of NYC crime as a fault of local police.

More power to ICE and any other help they get for cleaning up the NYC streets of gangs and crime. I don't understand the blame on sanctuary cities. It's probably complicated and I may not know everything.

People make money from uTube once they get enough views to monetize. It's probably a temptation for some.