We can go back for sure! But that would mean we would all die quickly and younger and many diseases would have no treatments. Are you ready for that?
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We can go back for sure! But that would mean we would all die quickly and younger and many diseases would have no treatments. Are you ready for that?
Does it really mean that, Tammy? Have we maximized everything along the way? I get nostalgic about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
We can go back without sacrificing much--just by trimming the insurance and Pharma fat from the process.
People back in the day had to deal with intractable infections (which may be on the rise again), childbirth issues--including infant mortality, and injuries with little access to trauma care. But clean food and water and a hearty lifestyle contributed to long lives for many. A little browsing in genealogy tomes may surprise you.
I thought that in this nation we had abandoned the notion that we had a right to the product of others labor way back in 1865. I knew that the Democratic Party of that era was reluctant to accept it and am sad to see that after all this time, it still exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
It's not either/or. I'm sure not everything has been maximized. But I would prefer to live today in the Western world of healthcare than any other time or place I'm familiar with.
I've been a nurse for 19 years and I've been a home-birthing home-schooling natural foods mother since the 80s. I'm well read. Tens of thousands of pages on this stuff. I stand by my belief that I'm lucky to be in this time and place for my best chance at a long and healthy life.
This is why turning Medicare into grants to buy insurance will be a financial disaster for old folks. Instead of that we should be looking to revise the ACA to be more like Medicare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
I would agree that the state of the art in medicine is better than it ever has been--MRIs and other tools can be invaluable. Our trauma care is second to none. But that doesn't negate the fact that costs have been inflated beyond all reason and that outcomes are lackluster at best in many cases--and too often fatal, if statistics can be believed.
Trump just unloaded on members of the mainstream press covering a press conference on the money he raised for Veterans organizations. He called one a sleeze and many others dishonest to their face. Those reporters were so offended that one of them asked if this was how it was goin to be if he became President. The answer, Yes.
Im starting to like this guy. But then again, I love hot pepper cheese and salt and vinegar chips.
If you refer to the "abolishing" of slavery I can assure you, we merely outsourced it to third-world countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
There ya go UA, I fixed it for you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
Well, pension plans would become more viable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
Trump!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
And the robots, don't forget them. We've managed to increase domestic manufacturing output for decades as manufacturing employment has declined. I'm not sure that our industrial base has been hollowed out so much as upgraded.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
Oil. Oil really helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Hip hip hooray for reindustrialization........to hell with service and finance. Trump will put pride back in America. Even gimmiethesimplelife will want to stay here.
Sold!Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
It didn't take the media long to ratchet up the attacks on Trump after the way he embarrassed them over the veterans fund raising fiasco. Trump is getting more free air time and publicity than ever.
What about this, Trump is not hosting the next PGA tour at his course, it is moved to Mexico. Apparently sponsors do not want to support something at his course. Seems like how the free market works, of course he said this will not happen when he is president. Does he even know how this works? Government is not going to tell the PGA where to hold their tournament, and they shouldn't, I know he doesn't seem to have a clue that presidents have to work with people and make agreements across differences, but this is just one more crazy that gets him more air time.
The media seems far from embarrassed to me. Some of them in fact seem to be claiming that he only started writing checks after they called him on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
I think most Americans dislike the media -- the right wingers think it is too liberal. The liberals think it is too right-wing. So everyone is enjoying Trump's jabs at the media.
Many of the media will do anything to rid the country of the scourge of Trumpism. Including inventing fraudulent incidents and ginned up charges. They are wasting their time digging deep into the Trump phenomenon. The answers to his popularity are right on the surface. He is a simple man. Perhaps even a simpleton. But he is motivated by his true feelings and not some elaborate scheme to take over the country. He speaks his mind even if that reveals he hasn't thought it out too clearly. He has been accepted by the common man not because he sits around the fire with them, but because he champions their causes while enjoying things the common man dreams of. And he doesn't tell the common man that their time has passed and now others must reap the benefits of your labor. He is not a puzzle, he is exactly what he appears to be and that irks the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Incredibly astute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
The secret of his "success" is that he tells his followers what they want to hear with little regard for truth or logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
I think he is exactly what he appears to be: a crude, mendacious buffoon with a limited grasp of the issues.
Uh... the typical American?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
The media made Trump with constant coverage, now i am supposed to believe it is somehow against him. give me a break.
I look at it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
The journalists doing the reporting are Bernie fans. Their bosses are Hillary voters.
But the news organizations follow Trump, giving him media "love" because he is a sound bite a second kind of guy. He gets people watching their stupid news shows.
Yes, they made him against their own philosophies. It is hilarious to me.
C'mon, tell us what you REALLY think of this buffoon!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
He is a liar. He is a bully. He is a boor. He is a Liberal. He is perhaps the only candidate the GOP could have chosen to make Clinton's more conventional vileness and duplicity seem relatively palatable by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by IshbelRobertson
If he wins in November, and perhaps even if he loses, he will have set back the cause of American Conservatism by a generation.
I'm impressed. Even when you talk about that horrible jackass you manage to find something to be optimistic about.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Even liberals would suffer. In recent years, they have needed to look through the conservative wastebasket for ideas like Obamacare or the Carbon Tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Even worse, where would they turn to populate their narrative with villains?
Well, Trump is enjoying the "success" most recent conservative candidates only dream of. Conservatism doesn't understand that they speak for a narrow slice of the voting pie. They pretend to speak for a broad base but most of that base doesn't exist, they don't care at all about economic theory, moral politics or Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Thomas Lowell. They care about MLB, NBA, NHL and NASCAR and what beer is on sale at the local distributor.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
The basic fact is Trumps base is the salt of the earth, the common working folk, the guys who sit at the American Legion bar and shoot the bull then go home and have it out with the old lady. It ain't brain surgery. And no somebody finally represents them.
The three strong Trump supporters I know are busness women with IQ's higher than mine. Phd's, MBAs, etc. While i cannot grock their support, they arent fans of NASCAR or any of the sports you named. One IS a rabid NFL fan, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
Well, there it is.......proof Trump IS uniting the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I agree. I'm equally tired of the democratic party pretending to be republican-lite. It's about time they got back to acting like people matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Of the two trump supporters I actually know personally one fits that image (although too young to be interested in the American Legion bar) and the other is a well off retired Canadian immigrant who holds the distinction of being the only Canadian I personally know who doesn't like their healthcare. Not at all a respresentative sample, admittedly, but what can I say, my Canadian former co-worker is probably one of roughly ten trump supporters in the bay area. (or at least one of the ten trump supporters here who will actually admit to being a trump supporter)Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
Get ready for the mayhem, batten down the hatches.
Check this out:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...outside-rally/
People waving Mexican flags appear to be violent. I guess they think We need socialism so we don't have to put up with free speech. Capitalism is a crime.....but they didn't say what the punishment is. I guess we find out later.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
"hatred, racism and violence" is universal. The left is very good at it also.
And the police, who can blame them, if they take action they lose their jobs and get arrested too.
Dont worry, Philadelphia will have its share of mayhem. The white middleclass doesn't have a job to go to that they care about, they will have plenty of time to devote to riot, mischief and general rebellion.
I will have to say, that was a pretty wimpy display of riot and violence. We can do better.
The fact is Trump supporters have a mean household income of about $72,000. Now maybe that's a few dozen billionaires and a lot of redundant factory workers, but I somehow doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...er-links-click
I would agree that Trump "represents" a lot of unfocused, ill-directed anger.
Based on exit poll estimates.......Independent? That is a large block of voters that wasn't counted. In my state for instance, an Independent wasn't permitted to vote in the primary for Trump. Primary voters are more frequently educated and do not represent a cross section of the eventual generalelection voters. AND exit poll questioning about income is usually overstated by the respondent. Human nature. I took a look at th numbers and I fall below even the low estimate on Hillary and I consider myself well off. Also, $72,000 in Pennsylvania is not the same as $72,000 in Texas etc. Your turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL