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So what type of work did you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Sneering... kinda reminds me when my kid's teacher years ago called us in because our kid was smiling at her... yikes! Sneering is worse than trying to engage fake electors? Priorities seem off base here.
Yeah, FL and TX should be charged with illegal smuggling. From what I hear these people are transported against their will.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I heard someone on MSNBC speculate on that several months ago, turned out there was nothing to it. The only difference I can see between the transports those Governors are facilitating and the ones the US Government are responsible for is that the Feds are bringing them into cities at night in hopes no one will notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
I've read that last year there were 2,000,000 migrants processed by CBP personnel, not counting those who evaded capture, and a similar number is expected this year. Does anyone really believe those TX and AZ border areas can absorb those numbers while Martha's Vineyard can't accommodate 50?
No they’re not. They are happy because it gets some further into the United States, further north. At least, that’s what I heard in the radio interview yesterday..I heard an interview with a mayor of a Chicago suburb yesterday on NPR, so you know that it’s all correct because it’s NPR! Anyway, the mayor seemed pretty even handed in talking about the bus loads of illegal immigrants his suburban city received. Maybe is was Burr Ridge? Sorry I can’t remember for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
He said they had been tested for Covid, monkeypox, and then tested a second time for covid. He said that even tho he was told they were getting families in their busloads of 100 illegal aliens, they got some thing like 65 single men 22 single women, a pregnant woman or two, and a few children.
he was irritated with the state of Illinois because he thinks it’s at the state level that’s a deal was made to send illegal aliens to Chicago suburbs. He was annoyed because he couldn’t get any Illinois state officials to talk to him on the phone about it, and apparently that’s true with other suburbs receiving illegal aliens.
He said they had already put two or three of these busting people to work, they found a job for them.
Ummm. The ****ing Republican president planned and executed it with the help of a bunch of shitbags. If he wasn’t the head of the Republican Party at the time please tell me who the **** was.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
The problem is you keep focusing on J6. As if that was the only thing in the attempt to overthrow the government. That was just one piece of your traitorous party’s attempt to overthrow the government. And the whole thing was lead by your ****ing traitorous party’s leader.
I watched interviews of people transported. They said they were taken without any idea of where they were going. I’m sure some did not care but happy to be away but others were not. Think what you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Personally I’d be curious to know what Florida taxpayers think about their tax dollars being spent to send immigrants in Texas on a trip to Massachusetts.
Actually it is the tourists tax dollars. There is no Florida state tax. Our sales tax ranges from about 6 to 8.5% and hotel tax around 13%. Out toll roads are very expensive as well compared to other states. People spend thousands of dollars for a few days at theme parks and the parks are packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
From the comment section in the newspaper people are overjoyed DeSantis is owning the libs. There is a huge service economy of lawn care, hotel and restaurant workers, Farmworkers, palm tree trimmers and so on. Plus many services that come with large swaths of retirees like housecleaning, driver services like uber and private companies. even Trumps properties were found to have people working without legal status. Many employment opportunities exist where it would be easy to hide people in Florida. Unemployment benefits are very low, no expanded Medicaid and not very generous welfare type benefits as well.
Desantis did not win by much but unfortunately Andrew Gillam, who he ran against got involved in some crazy hotel room nude drug situation which was a huge blow to Democrats. And he was a well spoken, well educated black man so that only serves to fuel the fires of racist leaning people.
So in my opinion this is all about him getting free campaign coverage as he has been all over the news railing against open borders and the lawlessness of sanctuary cities. I sincerely doubt there will be much of a democratic presence in government here in the future.
People often wonder why so many are attracted to Florida. Well the weather is gorgeous year round. And another thing in Florida is if you file for bankruptcy, your home is exempt if it is on less than one half acre. Your retirement accounts and government benefits are exempt. So for the right people it is a very attractive state to own property in. Of course for normal people they just want beautiful weather in their sunset years but many wealthy people find it is a way to have huge amounts of wealth protected.
I mostly worked in local government finance.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
You may be confusing me with Alan, which I consider a bit flattering.
No. I knew Alan was in law enforcement. You are not similar but thought you had the same occupation.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Gillum was indicted earlier this year on multiple federal charges related to campaign finance fraud and other irregularities.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
As always with Republicans, cruelty is the point. These poor people who Desantis is playing politics with are no different than the Cuban refugees Florida has long championed. I wonder again if any of the party's fake Christians have ever read, let alone followed, the Bible.
I have a good friend that loves heat and humidity so loves it there. Personally I went in April and thought I was going to die.
Yeah, it was Burr Ridge and Elk Grove Village that have gotten illegals. Apparently JB Prickster and Groot (Lori Lightfoot) knew about bus loads and didn’t bother letting the burbs know. The Burr Ridge mayor went after both of them publicly and Groot actually apologized. Nothing from Prickster yet. EGV and BR are both pretty nice, well off suburbs. They may lean right, so I’m not surprised Prickster and Groot sent buses there.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I have no problem with what the TX gov is doing. The feds refuse to do pretty much anything about the border situation and TX is overrun with them. The blue states support anyone coming in, so let them shoulder the burden. I heard on a mainstream radio news (CBS?) that the illegals on any given bus pretty much vote where they want to go of the choices available. Chicago is a sanctuary city. They want illegals, they can deal with them.
How are they "illegals" if the are registered and vetted at the border? Now they're awaiting a hearing and may very well be denied immigrant status anyway. We need more border agents so people can be processed quickly, and they shouldn't all be assigned to a few border states. Our immigration system has been problematic for years.
Did they enter the US legally? As in with a visa, etc.? Highly doubt it. Pretty much catch and release. Who knows if they’ll ever show up back for any court dates.
so now putting their (?real?) names on a bus list and doing the equivalent of spraying them down with DDT now makes them legal residents?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
haha, ok. I’m never interested in sparring about labels because I find it to be a bore, so you can consider them to be whatever legal status you wish to assign to them. You and President Biden. I don’t think that will play well at the polls but we shall see.
Yes he was. He is claiming it is political and he is innocent although he has not claimed it is a witch hunt (yet).Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
DeSantis got mad at Disney and wants to dissolve their special Reedy creek tax status. Kind of playing with fire to punish such a big employer who draws an enormous amount of dollars here. But have no doubts, DeSantis is very smart and knows exactly what he is doing. And he is far more clever and charismatic than many of the MAGA type politicians. As I said, he is very popular. And not enormously Wealthy like many candidates who are very far removed from what ordinary people want.
Regardless of whom the democrats run he could very well be our next president. He knows how to work a crowd without inciting violence too.
They legally registered at the border in hopes of securing refugee or immigrant status, which, as I understand it, is the appropriate process.
Spraying them with DDT? Isn't that a poison?
In your eyes, apparently, anyone seeking to enter the country at the southern border is basically vermin. Nice.
It’s a reference to past immigration practices, probably too obscure for most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/29/893484...o-dark-history
edited to add: The medical testing and treatment of border jumpers today is probably more akin to what our immigrant ancestors encountered at Ellis island. Anyone who looks sickly failed a TB test wouldn’t have been able to get on a bus to go to Martha’s Vineyard.
Dear God, I pray you are wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
I hope she's right! It would ensure years of entertaining hand wringing from you and JP1.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
On the one hand, I hate seeing people used as political pawns. On the other, I will admit I enjoy seeing some of these insufferably self-righteous progressives whining about the impact of a tiny fraction of what poor Texas border towns are expected to absorb every day. I heard Massachusetts called out the National Guard to deal with fifty people.
They do say with conservatives the cruelty is the point. Exhibit A.Quote:
I hope she's right! It would ensure years of entertaining hand wringing from you and JP1.
JB Prickster in IL issued a state of emergency. I laughed when I heard that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
You want more Hitler wannabes, I see. ... more maga republicans. Thought you were against trump... this is his minion???Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
That and enraging their base.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
"Caring about these people (Venezuelans fleeing communism) would require empathy, which would require a heart, and I guess we know where that goes... --Nicolle Wallace, former White House Communications Director for GW bush, former Republican
Please explain to me how these asylum-seekers are less worthy than those fleeing communist Cuba.
ETA: Oh, this just keeps getting worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NxX_orvxhw "It is sickeningly cruel," said an official in Martha Vineyard.
Apparently, agencies lied and conspired to thwart these people's attempts to gain any chance of asylum.
I could be, but the second Trump came down that escalator I said he would be the next president. Everyone (especially my kids) said I was crazy. And then there we were. I can’t see the republicans put up a moderate at this point and I have no idea who the dems are going to run. Biden and Harris are not very popular with some democrats and enormously unpopular with republicans. Abbot does not come across the strong and charismatic way Desantis does. So who else might be the next President?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
It’s easier to preen about your empathy from a safe distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
It has to do with fairness, humanity, and following the rules. Empathy is extra.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
That official in Martha's Vineyard is confronting Republican ugliness and cruelty right up close.
So is this what the National Guard looks like in Martha's Vineyard? They don't look like NIMBY's to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/us/ma...nts/index.html
Martha's Vineyard is a pretty small island with a small population. And I suspect it lacks in services for migrants.
Much like my own island. It is not uncommon here to call on state/federal resources when there are problems, as low-population remote areas typically don't have resources on-hand to deal with significant outlying events.
I’ve heard quite a lot of good things about DeSantis from people I respect, so no I don’t think he’s a Trump toady. I will vote for him. I might even send him money if it looks like it’s DeSantis vs Donald Trump and DeSantis needs my cash to get ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Are all of “these people “meaning illegal aliens being bussed into Northern states fleeing communism from Venezuela? I did not know that. Or is this just for the Martha’s Vineyard group? Just musing here, no answer necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I think just the MV group, who are no longer on the island.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Asylum seekers are not, and never have been, "illegal aliens."
DeSantis is very much a typical Republican politician--dishonest and vindictive. Maybe more politically Savvy and slightly less crude than Trump.
ETA:"politician"
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Originally Posted by iris lilies
Another wasteful, lying republican that is now involved in human trafficking.... Another good reason to avoid voting republican. BTW... DeSantis is a trump toady.... see below.
Since DeSantis didn't have any refugees readily available to expel this week, he used his forced deportation money to charter a couple of jets and coerce migrants who were in Texas — halfway across the country — to board them, claiming they were being sent to Boston with promises of resources and support. Instead the migrants were dropped off on Martha's Vineyard, a famous summer resort with a year-round population of around 15,000. No one there knew they were coming, and they were essentially dumped at the island's tiny airport like cargo.
DeSantis arranged for a video crew to record this atrocity for the entertainment of the xenophobic miscreants who watch Tucker Carlson's network. No doubt they enjoyed watching the footage of exhausted mothers and fathers with small children in their arms walking across the tarmac and wondering where the hell they were. Locals on Martha's Vineyard rose to the occasion, somewhat redeeming the reputation of human beings by offering the new arrivals food and shelter, along with legal advice and emotional support.
DeSantis seems exceedingly proud of his immoral little stunt. He held a press conference in which he claimed that his reasoning for chartering airplanes to abduct migrants in Texas and fly them to the New England coast was to save money:
One of the reasons why we want to transfer [people is] because, obviously it's expensive if people are coming here, you got to pay taxes, social services, and all these other things.
A lot of Floridians love this stuff, apparently. Consider, DeSantis' "election police force," a particularly flamboyant display of government waste. He's up for re-election and leading Democrat Charlie Crist in the polls. Most observers don't think it will be all that close. Greg Abbott is also running for another term (against Democrat Beto O'Rourke), and he dropped off a busload of asylum seekers in front of the Naval Observatory in D.C. this week — that's the official residence of Vice President Kamala Harris. Abbott and DeSantis' biggest fans are uncomfortably similar to the White Citizens' Council members who clearly enjoyed the misery they inflicted by sending Black citizens north under false pretenses. They are cruel, immoral bigots who take pleasure in hurting others.
I'm sure the other Big Florida Man is gnashing his teeth in Mar-a-Lago over DeSantis, his likely 2024 opponent, getting all this great press for owning the libs when Trump thinks it was all his idea in the first place. If he slithers back to the White House you can bet he'll seek to get this done on a national scale. But so will any other Republican likely to get elected to national office anytime soon. The red-state "laboratories of democracy" are leading the way.
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Tucker Carlson..An advocate of former U.S. president Donald Trump, Carlson was described by Politico as "perhaps the highest-profile proponent of 'Trumpism'"
Unlike those of your ilk who have no empathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL