Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

There are certain similarities to Richard III in the Democratic race.

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I was thinking more like King Lear.

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Originally Posted by Williamsmith

Speaking off the record on my own thread:

I have been making fun of this whole process but it is really getting scary. I may be witnessing the hostile takeover of the Republican Party by a power hungry New Yorker. And possibly, my only other option might be to vote for another maybe more progressive power hungry New Yorker. Both have no problem with shredding the Constitution to get what they want. A brokered convention is undoubtedly the course of action The establishment has chosen but I fear they are making a huge mistake by not consolidating behind Cruz. He could possibly stop the madness. And I would be willing to overlook his zealous faults.

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I think you're right. I would have preferred Rubio, but would gratefully take Cruz over Trump or Clinton.

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Originally Posted by Williamsmith

Speaking off the record on my own thread:

I have been making fun of this whole process but it is really getting scary. I may be witnessing the hostile takeover of the Republican Party by a power hungry New Yorker. And possibly, my only other option might be to vote for another maybe more progressive power hungry New Yorker. Both have no problem with shredding the Constitution to get what they want. A brokered convention is undoubtedly the course of action The establishment has chosen but I fear they are making a huge mistake by not consolidating behind Cruz. He could possibly stop the madness. And I would be willing to overlook his zealous faults.

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Don't worry yourself too much about their games of thrones.

My plan is to just keep muddling through life. You and most people will do the same.

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Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler

Do you think "the people" would be like this?

"We voted for Trump and now you elitists have removed the man we voted for because you think we are too dumb to pick our own candidates! Screw you!"

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"The people" in this case, represent about 35-45% of the primary voters, not a popular mandate. Think of them as the "some of the people all of the time" contingent. I'm generally pretty flexible on ideology, but Trump is beyond the pall. If the party needs to alienate the Trumpites to preserve it's core values, that's a price I'm willing to pay.

Lincoln entered the 1860 convention with a minority of delegates, and was nominated on the third vote. I'll take comfort in that precedent.

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

If the party needs to alienate the Trumpites to preserve it's core values, that's a price I'm willing to pay.

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Strange times, these...

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Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler

Don't worry yourself too much about their games of thrones.

My plan is to just keep muddling through life. You and most people will do the same.

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With all due respect UA, I have always and will always have a greater expectation for my life than the word, "muddle" would imply.

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Originally Posted by Williamsmith

With all due respect UA, I have always and will always have a greater expectation for my life than the word, "muddle" would imply.

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I admire that about you. I think you have a mental and emotional resilience that I just don't have.

Whether I muddle through life sometimes doesn't even seem the important thing. What difference does it really make in the scheme of things. I lack the narcissism of a Trump I guess. My anger at politics sometimes it about whatever economic or political issues I may face muddling through life (but even then often not directly so but rather indirectly) but sometimes has very little to do with whether I muddle through life better or worse. I was angry for W for instance for all the people he insured wouldn't muddle through life (all the Iraqis killed in the war). I loath Trump for all the Muslim and other Americans whose lives he will make more difficult. But I will muddle through life. Sometimes all I can wonder to that is: who cares? But I'm not actively suicidal or anything needless to say, I do preserve my life from day to day.

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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore

Whether I muddle through life sometimes doesn't even seem the important thing. What difference does it really make in the scheme of things. I lack the narcissism of a Trump I guess. My anger at politics sometimes it about whatever economic or political issues I may face muddling through life (but even then often not directly so but rather indirectly) but sometimes has very little to do with whether I muddle through life better or worse. I was angry for W for instance for all the people he insured wouldn't muddle through life (all the Iraqis killed in the war). I loath Trump for all the Muslim and other Americans whose lives he will make more difficult. But I will muddle through life. Sometimes all I can wonder to that is: who cares? But I'm not actively suicidal or anything needless to say, I do preserve my life from day to day.

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Let me paraphrase K-Von:

Most of us on Earth are unhappy, unfulfilled, and worn down. But we are also endowed with an iron will to live. This is a common configuration.

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Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler

Let me paraphrase K-Von:

Most of us on Earth are unhappy, unfulfilled, and worn down. But we are also endowed with an iron will to live. This is a common configuration.

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"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation" --Thoreau

I agree with Williamsmith, though. I will not accept muddling and/or desperation in my life. Life is way too precious for me to fall into that trap. We can each choose a different path.