After al the evidence seen thus far and Moscow mitch’s public statement that he will rig the process you think republicans will come out of this looking good to anyone who has ever pulled the voting lever for a non republican? Really?
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After al the evidence seen thus far and Moscow mitch’s public statement that he will rig the process you think republicans will come out of this looking good to anyone who has ever pulled the voting lever for a non republican? Really?
It's too bad they can't negotiate with McConnell to expedite the impeachment paperwork when he gets some of the nearly 300 (mostly non-partisan) bills sent over by the house voted on. (I'm happy to see Amy McGrath polling so well. Hope she wipes the floor with him.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Yes I do. You and I are pretty much partisans, but we're not the majority. Independents and moderates see what's happening and I'll bet they're keeping score. I'll also bet my side wins the day this time because your side can't do subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
It has pretty much confirmed my belief that I am unlikely to ever vote for either party’s candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Time will tell but if moderates are persuadable I think the republicans had better come up with a better argument than hurry up so we can reach our predetermined conclusion before any new evidence might be learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I also wonder if moderates care about the delay. They didn’t seem to be bothered by the delay of metrics garland for blatantly partisan purposes.
I think the delay is immaterial, it's the perceived reason for the delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Moderates don’t want the senate to do a legitimate impeachment trial instead of a hack job acquittal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
No, the delay is because the Senate will do a fairly quick acquittal on the charges just as it did for Clinton in 1999 and then it's over, they're a political entity and we'd be foolish to expect more of them. I believe the goal is to draw this out while putting out as much anti-McConnell, anti-Republican, rhetoric as possible so that after the acquittal people not paying attention will turn the Senate over to the Democrats in November. That's where I believe the Democrats are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I also believe that if Trump wins the next election, as I'm afraid he will, the Democrats will make history by impeaching him again.
I think the flaw in your thinking is assuming that moderates will just accept that the senate is willing to act so blatantly partisan for no other reason than partisanship. I think bae's frustration with both parties probably exemplifies the moderates thoughts more accurately. And in that case if they are going to be swayed at all it will be by the party that better justifies the reasons for their current actions.
Democrats have been searching for any reason to impeach for the past 3 years. During tonight's debate Tom Steyer bragged that he's been using his time and resources to promote impeachment for the past two years. It sounds to many people the Democrats have just recently found a possible basis for their coup and are running with it, so I think you're right, someone's gonna have to justify their actions and make a convincing case for why it's not their new normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I suppose if you ignore all the evidence that has been brought forward in the past couple of months this might matter. At the end of the day no matter how you slice it our president used the power of his office to withhold taxpayer funded military aid to try and extort a foreign country into assisting his reelection by opening a bogus investigation into his political opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...om-office.html
“To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?”
Franklin Graham must be more than a bit peeved at this...
What makes you think it's bogus? I think that the only winner in this whole thing is the Biden family, they're now effectively shielded from any serious investigation into the son using his father's influence to collect 10X the going rate for a director of an energy company, and we'll never be allowed to know how much influence was used to keep it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
It's hard to disagree with that, Trump's personality sucks and that should be a factor in an election, but it's not an impeachable offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I just happened upon this on Twitter, by mistakenly clicking on the wrong hashtag when looking for the debates. I'm not an Evangelical, but my spiritual orientation is Christian and I was raised Catholic and it's really in my DNA, and I applaud Billy Graham for calling out what I believe to be a truth--that supporting Donald Trump is a huge spiritual sell-out. I'll be interested in hearing how the Evangelicals respond--a cursory look at the Twitter feed indicates that many are willing to crucify Billy Graham and absolveQuote:
Originally Posted by jp1
BarabasTrump.
I'll let you use the googles to get outside the fox/breitbart bubble and find the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Fox/Breitbart bubble. That makes me laugh out loud. :~)Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Yes, the software didn't come with it but I installed it......poorly.....it's icon doesn't show up in the quick reply box but can be used by typing the script beginning/end on either side of the word or phrase you wish to strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
Example: (strike) text to strike (/strike) where you replace brackets ( & ) with brackets [ & ] to get thistext to strike
It worked! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Forgive me for making that assumption if it’s incorrect. It’s just that anyone who has other news sources has likely learned that the whole ‘Biden got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired to protect his son’ story was debunked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I understand that we are a nation of laws determined by the Constitution when it comes to impeachment, but they are not the only laws that determine a presidents fitness for office. I believe Donald's moral compass is broken and he is not capable of wise decisions regarding national security and global stability. There are laws common to many faiths that might resemble the Ten Commandments of which Trump has broken several. Like the CT article says, "it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence."Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
For those reasons I find no fault for looking hard at Donald's transgressions that would justify impeachment. He is a non-traditional if not radical president and the reality of that is that he would have a microscope on all of his dealings and he finally messed up. He is an expert in maneuvering through the legal systems and is wise in that matter. Something that his political associates such as Roger Stone and Manafort have not been so skilled. They had to get Capone on tax evasion even though they tried to arrest him for years on charges that would stick.
I'll stick by the laws of the nation as providing some form of justice, but find no fault in looking hard at all of Donald's dealings from the start of his inauguration. That's part of our legal freedoms, too.
I’d like to see Trump go. My preference would be to do that through the ballot box rather than a weaponized constitutional process.
I think the perception of much of the public is that after three years of searching for a hook, his enemies finally latched onto something they could work with. As presidential scandals and infractions go, this one seems pretty minor compared to much of the past century or so. I suspect a sufficiently motivated Congress could have found sufficient reason to impeach most of the presidents of my lifetime. This one will appear to be part of a political jihad regardless of the facts of the case. Much like the Clinton impeachment was. I think that is how many voters will remember it, and the aftertaste will be bitter for some years to come as the bar is lowered for the future. His enemies will couch their actions in patriotic sanctimony and pecksniff legalism; and they won’t be entirely wrong. But his enemies’ enemies will remember and wait for their chance at reprisal.
Does he deserve to be booted out of office? I think so. But I think the upcoming election is the cleanest way to make that happen. At very least, should he win a second term, No one will be able to say they weren’t warned.
Yeah--I have to laugh at those characterizing the continuation and amplification of FDR's programs as "radical," when we have the most egregious radical possible sitting in the white house, colluding with our enemies to solidify his power.
If nothing else, he may go down in history for finally getting the American Left to recognize Russia as an enemy rather than a honeymoon destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
That's a high price to pay for a little clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
hahaha,Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
i think you are both right.
It takes a lot to dispel over a century of self-delusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Somebody forgot to notify Tucker Carlson...Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I would just like to wake up and the orange moron has disappeared:))
As long as we don't get him in the 85006! Like he'd really live there anyway lol. I agree with your lost 100 percent, TT. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Should be agree with your post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Rob, I was thinking more like poof gone from the earth:))
That is easy to say but a big problem in WI is gerrymandering!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Unless some evil genius has figured out how to gerrymander state boundaries, I don’t think that will be much of an issue for the presidential election.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
While at the same time convincing republicans that Russia is not our enemy. A remarkable feat.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Obama didn’t authorize lethal aid for Ukraine against the Russians. Trump did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
True, but for the record the GOP defense that Obama only provided blankets and pillows is and mostly false. He provided millions in military assistance that included radar defenses, Humvees, training, medical supplies, body armor, and surveillance equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
It was in the last election. Many blacks in the Milwaukee area could not get to polling sites because of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
what do you mean? Be specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
gerrymanderingQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies