Tell that to the girl who is being repeatedly molested/raped by her brother, or father, or uncle, or.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregg
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Tell that to the girl who is being repeatedly molested/raped by her brother, or father, or uncle, or.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregg
My sister's husband used to rape her, specifically to get her pregnant, when she no longer wished to go along with his sell-babies-for-cash scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gingerella72
Quite true (and exactly the point).Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Are most abortions performed on rape/incest victims or on women who decided, for whatever other reason, that they didn't want a baby? Laws are, or at least should be, written to cover the majority of cases. A well thought out law should contain language that allows exceptions in cases outside the norm. A case of rape or incest would, I hope, be an exception. I am far from being an abortion advocate, but do support a woman's right to make such a decision without 'help' from the government. I am not qualified to decide if it is right for someone else and don't believe most of our law makers are either. However, the "oops I'm pregnant" cases that result in abortion turn my stomach because, to me, it is one more example of there being no limits in our disposable society. We allow all personal responsibility to be removed; there are very few consequences for our actions in this society. Most of those pregnancies could be prevented easily and cheaply which is why I support getting birth control into as many hands as we can even if it is a government entity handing it out. And yes, regardless of how practical or desirable it is, the one sure fire way to not get pregnant is to not have sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gingerella72
It is - but it seems a bit overkill. There is only one particular scenario that will cause pregnancy. I find it interesting that it so often is presented as "all or nothing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregg
For life? (or at least for a woman until full menopause?) Is that your serious proposal, that all people who don't want children should be abstinent for the entire of their reproductive lives? Ok but don't be surprised if even full sterilizations are more popular than this, if I had thought of it at a younger age I may have gone for full sterilization, it's certainly a worry free life. Unfortunately that's only an easy procedure for a man :( The creator is NOT female I tell you! :)Quote:
Abstinence. And its already free.
Viability. Check it out. You can't kill something that has no life of its own. You can make an argument against late-term abortions where viability is an issue, but most of those are performed on doomed fetuses anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by poetry_writer
There have been a couple of stories in the news lately about parents who have righteously refused to abort badly damaged fetuses, thereby sentencing their offspring to months, if not years, of painful and ultimately futile medical procedures. I don't see how that is the high ground, but it's a personal decision.
As far as nature--and the big picture--is concerned, life isn't particularly precious. But I'd love to see the energy put into saving innocent lives from war that is currently expended on lost causes like forced birth.
The world is no more pathetic than it's ever been--you could make an argument that it's less so. We've made some progress, after all. When was the last time you heard of someone punished by being boiled in oil or dismembered by galloping horses? And women, finally, have some control of their own lives. That's progress, in my book.
I couldn't agree more about reproductive responsibility. In my curmudgeonly opinion, if you can't emotionally or financially support a child, including providing a stable, safe and loving home, you shouldn't have one. But mine seems to be the minority view these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregg
Yes that's *nature*, I often think it would be nice to live in a *society* where it was though. And then I sound like the Pope :). Well I really don't focus much on the abortion issue though. I think we really do live in a society that devalues human life is so many ways though. Take how old people are treated in our society, often devalued, you really can't arrive at those positions if you really value human life ... you can't arrive at much that is the dominent culture in our society from a real valuing of human life IMO.Quote:
As far as nature--and the big picture--is concerned, life isn't particularly precious.
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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
I just read somewhere that sterilization is particularly popular with Catholics, maybe because you only have to apologize once.
I would argue that tubal ligation is not such a big deal; it has to be a lot less painful than a Brazilian wax job.:0!