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Ha, who would have thought that Sarah Palin was right about death panels. What she was wrong about though was it’s not the ACA.
Whats a few hundred thousand deaths if the stock market is good?
The great Boomer Remover might help shore up Social Security too. Win win.
Hear hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Personally, I wouldn't risk death for a haircut, but that's just me.
The Bible also says "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.…" Matthew 6:6 I'm pretty sure God doesn't want churches full of people infecting (and reinfecting, which looks possible with this scourge) each other. Or maybe He does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
We “risk death” every time we leave the house for a haircut, and always have. This virus is just one additional factor. But what is the best way to assess that factor? If we look at deaths per 100,000, places like Georgia and Florida seem far better off than New York and New Jersey (I’m looking at statista.com). Texas is doing better than famously restrictive California.
I realize there are many variables at play here that affect how much a given area is affected, and that we will be in a much better position to make comparisons a year or two from now, so it seems premature to me to wave the bloody shirt at the “reckless” decisions of governors for “prioritizing the economy over lives”. Surely there is a workable position somewhere between ignoring the virus and confining the population like veal calves for the indefinite future?
Our liberal governor, in an interview defending the opening of some businesses, said every American at some time with either get the virus and become sick, be exposed to the virus and be asymptomatic, or be vaccinated. Speculation of course, but could be over the next several months. I suppose alternatives would be the virus mutates to a less virulent form or some sort of herd immunity happens sooner.
I'm not sure I'd risk it for my job. Many times I end up contemplating whether I should quit or go back if they force us back in a time of rampant virus spread. And it's not at all clear it's better to have a job. All this for a job I can do at home anyway, but doesn't mean working from home will be allowed. So if I quit and end up poor, well better poor than dead, better poor than on a ventilator (which won't help my finances either), although I've taken the opposite position at times (tell me what kind of world I live in that I'm SO OFTEN weighing death versus being unable to make a living, that's it's so often death or unemployment, unemployment or suicide, that this is life here so often). Poverty in America also of course leads to death, but in a longer run. It doesn't have to be this way, yea most countries have a safety net, but not murica. And I pray for a cautious governor, I mean maybe I have one, that remains to be seen.Quote:
Hear hear!
Personally, I wouldn't risk death for a haircut, but that's just me.
My grandpa was extremely religious yet rarely went to church. He read the Bible daily and kept it to himself. Truly religious people can do the same. Some states are being stupid and people will die in bigger numbers than needed.
I don't think an actually liberal governor would put it that way even if they pursued reopening (actions matter more than words but). Even if one is doomed to get the virus no choice, there is probably even individual value in postponing it, one will be *slightly* older, but treatments might be developed, they might get some better handle on treating it etc. Maybe none of that happens. But maybe it does. But society wide those almost certainly aren't the only options. We can't look at countries that handled it well from the beginning as clearly that cat is out of the bag, but ...Quote:
Our liberal governor, in an interview defending the opening of some businesses, said every American at some time with either get the virus and become sick, be exposed to the virus and be asymptomatic, or be vaccinated. Speculation of course, but could be over the next several months. I suppose alternatives would be the virus mutates to a less virulent form or some sort of herd immunity happens sooner.
I keep thinking of those poor, poor meat packing plant workers, who Trump and his cronies are forcing to go back into an environment certain to be fatal to a percentage of them, with few "suggested" safeguards. If they refuse to go back, or quit, they won't get unemployment. It's sickening the way we treat our workers in this country.
it's horribleQuote:
I keep thinking of those poor, poor meat packing plant workers, who Trump and his cronies are forcing to go back into an environment certain to be fatal to a percentage of them, with few "suggested" safeguards. If they refuse to go back, or quit, they won't get unemployment.
Speaking of haircuts...I bought a cheap pair of electric clippers off Amazon and have be self trimming. Yesterday my barber called to say she is back in business and taking appointments. Masks are required and no more than 4 people in a rather largish salon type place. I made an appointment in mid-June, which can be changed or cancelled between now and then.
There are things that can be postponed, maybe for long periods of time. Dental cleanings and exams, routine physicals, eye exams, and getting into some grayer areas, things like haircuts, yoga classes with good distancing, or pleasure travel by plane. At what point or decision markers will you guys or gals feel comfortable resuming some of these things? It seems given from many of the medical experts that the CV-19 isn't going away any time soon and could return with vengeance in the fall.
The day the gym opens, I'm back there! I only use the recumbent bike. That's easy enough to wipe down. Easy enough for only every other bike to be used.
I gave in and cut my bangs last week. They're somewhat curly so it didn't matter so much if things are a bit uneven - hard to tell with the curls.
My first decision-marker will be with my son and DIL as to when we can finally see the kids in person!! Today is my New Jersey GS's 3rd birthday and I'm pining for time with all four of them. I will also try to get an appointment for a real physical. I haven't been to the doctor in 5 years and I think it's about time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
The minute the pool and the library reopen, I will be there!
I have always been averse to crowds so will continue in that mode. I will go to the library as soon as it opens. We are thinking about a road trip to see the grand-twins for their 2nd birthday in early June. Will see how things are playing out in a couple of weeks and then decide. Not sure if hotels/restaurants on the way are open or even will be since it's a day and a half trip. I should see a doc about an issue but am putting that off too as I know it will just involve more invasive tests. Luckily, had a haircut and dental cleaning in early March so good for a while.
I am going to hang back and see if there is a 2nd or 3rd wave....
Ordered these... in bamboo. Sounds like they will be comfortable in summer also???? .... adjustable around ears and nose.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
https://thenxtstop.com/products/trav...able-face-mask
Our city announced yesterday, that no pools will open this year. The water park, OTOH, states it will but no open date announced at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Ordered this a few days ago. Pricey, but I usually don't spend much on haircuts so feel I can afford to try this. DH is not thrilled because I want him to cut my hair. There are tutorials on Youtube. There is no way I would try cutting my own hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
https://www.combpal.com
I have been cutting my own hair for 40 years. Most people would say “well, it looks like it!” Haha but I am ok with that. I am trying a shorter version and that works, too.
I had purchased some masks that I found uncomfortable, but DH and Dsis found acceptable. I then bought masks from this place which I find much more comfortable: https://www.shopprefix.com/. Apparently they donate part of their proceeds to a foodbank in LA. We liked the masks well enough to order a couple more. Since we can't very well go try these things on before we buy them - ha! - I do appreciate hearing product reviews from my SLF family.
PS: It looks like the masks favored by Dado are sold out.
Oh yes, and those must be horrible jobs under the best of circumstances. I really feel for all those "nonessential" workers in GA, FL, TX too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
That's my position. I'm a little iffy on the "if" part, however. I'm pretty sure there will be at least one more wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
We are going to push forward, not hang back, and try to get our move accomplished to be near parents, children, grandchildren, and siblings, so that if any of us gets sick, we'll have the others for emotional and practical support.
In nursing homes a majority of people are not dying. More people survive than die. One of the hardest hit nursing homes in my state was Soldiers Home in Holyoke. 77 of 230 residents died during a covid outbreak, though not all the deaths were attributed to the virus. Of those testing positive about half died.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Woohoo. Only half died! Score!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
No one cares about the useless old people anyway so a 50% death rate is no big deal. And bonus, Medicare and social security will be on a more secure footing financially. Smh.
I hope Costco now has big pallets of body bags for sale. That way it’ll be easy for the nursing homes to deal with the carnage when the worthless old folks die in bulk. Very efficient. Capitalism will he so proud.
Is your SO still fully paid?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I support an increase in Social Security benefits to US citizens who have paid into the system. I also support universal healthcare so they do not have to pay for supplemental Medicare plans. If you're looking for an advocate of reduced social spending you've got the wrong person.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I was just trying to make your mass death plan more appealing to conservatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
And boy that never gets old.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Anecdotal evidence from two of the nursing homes/assisted living places we looked at for my parents in Maine.
No cases in my parents' facility, and a very good plan in place for what happens if someone does develop the virus.
In the one we did not go with, here is their situation:
"There continue to be no positive cases at x, independent living at y, or the z Center building which houses short term rehab and skilled nursing. We are following CDC guidelines for isolation, designated staffing and additional personal protective equipment. The A, assisted living, had a total of 15 individuals who tested positive for COVID-19 between April 10 and April 24: ten residents and five staff members. All of the staff and eight residents have recovered, one resident has passed away, and one remains in the hospital. "
I know there were cases at the Veteran's Home but do not know those numbers.
I have been extremely impressed with the measures being taken to protect residents, although obviously quite concerned with the impact that some of the measures is having on people's mental functioning, which is declining, at least in my parents, who are showing cognitive decline due to isolation.
The facilities are in a terrible position. So are the families. There was no warning, no notice, no opportunity to take them out. But the facilities are working so hard to protect their residents, and we are very grateful.
I guess this is just fallout from a generally terrible situation.
And talk about body bags at Costco-- you think this makes things better for people?
I really feel sorry for the residents and workers in homes. It’s a huge risk to all involved. Even young workers are dying.
Yes. Healthcare workers in EVERY environment are at significant risk. I doubt SNFs had a supply of N95 masks at all let alone a satisfactory inventory of regular face masks.:|(Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Yes, healthcare workers are at risk. But imagine a world in which all infectious diseases were eliminated from the face of the earth. How many of them would be out of work? Their whole profession is based on people being sick. The US healthcare model incentivizes treatment of illnesses rather than prevention. I write that we should encourage people to improve their lifestyles so they are less susceptible to the coronavirus and people disagree.
Infectious disease as a cause, is a very small portion of healthcare provided. So a tiny # of jobs would be lost!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Please do share, what makes a person "suspectible"to Coronovirus? And how would one prevent asthma? How does one prevent old age? Why does a child get Type 1 Diabetes that goes on with them through adulthood? How does one prevent hypertension?
Who is most at risk for the coronavirus disease?
People of all ages can be infected by the new coronavirus (2019-nCoV). Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus.
WHO advises people of all ages to take steps to protect themselves from the virus, for example by following good hand hygiene and good respiratory hygiene.
I suppose we could pretend that there haven’t been nursing homes with catastrophic death rates from this but denying reality isn’t particularly useful. What’s next? States squashing research about the virus and what’s likely to happen when they reopen too soon? Oh wait, that’s exactly what’s happening in states like Arizona and Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
People SHOULD be horrified at the idea of Costco pallets of body bags. But the answer is not to pretend that it isn’t reality, The answer is to hold our elected leaders accountable to make sure that those bulk body bags aren’t needed.