Here's where the gun debate should go!

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Originally Posted by peggy
I think Mrs. M was referring to the fact that a 20 year old often hasn't the life experience or maturity to hold their emotions in check. A 20 year old is still a kid, in many ways, and I'm guessing she is thinking of the many stressful situations, school, girlfriends, new jobs, etc...where someone with very little 'life experience' might find themselves with very spun up emotions and not have the skill to deal with it.

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Originally posted by Gregg.
Mrs. M was quite clear in what she said

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Too bad a few here like to pull out their dumb-cards when someone has something viable to add. I figured you had ample life-experiences behind you, Gregg, where I didn't have to take you by the hand (like a little one) and guide you through every single detail and step, as to what my husband reiterated, but however disappointing it was (your misinterpretation of my entry), it's great that we have members like, Peggy, because she seemed to have no problem (whatsoever) in reading between the lines as to what was said in my post.

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Originally Posted by Mrs-M

I figured you had ample life-experiences behind you, Gregg, where I didn't have to take you by the hand (like a little one)...

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Well, the line in your post that I commented on was a QUOTE so there isn't much room for interpretation. Moving on, I was fortunate that my Dad did take me by the hand when I WAS a little one. He taught me respect for guns and all kinds of other things, too. As a result teenage hormones and the emotions that come with them never had any effect on my ability or desire to safely and responsibly handle firearms. Apparently not everyone had the benefit of such guidance which is probably why Canadians (and Americans) have problems with guns. Makes the solution look pretty simple, doesn't it?

At the age of 20, you can get married, sign a contract, purchase a truck, drive on the public roads, join the military, have children, consent to surgery, and quite a few other things.

By Federal law, however, you cannot purchase a handgun until you are 21. And most states require you to be 21 to carry a concealed weapon. Some states have lower, I think a few have (or had) higher age limits.

So the "20 year old" argument is reflective of a lack of knowledge of the reality here in the United States, and is a red herring.

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Originally posted by Gregg.
I was fortunate that my Dad did take me by the hand when I WAS a little one. He taught me respect for guns and all kinds of other things, too. As a result teenage hormones and the emotions that come with them never had any effect on my ability or desire to safely and responsibly handle firearms.

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Good on you. Unfortunately, calamitous and flimsy laws (US related) allowing people to use deadly force in a public place if they have reasonable belief that they are in danger of death, or great bodily harm, undermines the dimension of how well one was or wasn't raised, because with laws such as the one I just outlined, who needs enemies!

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Originally posted by Bae.
So the "20 year old" argument is reflective of a lack of knowledge of the reality here in the United States, and is a red herring.

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Oh... my apologies, as if one whole year makes all the difference, but isn't that the way, Bae, the way of staunch gun-owners always so determined and unwilling to hear of change or improvement to a chronically failed system. Anything to be able to hang onto the status of being able to roam streets and public places (freely) with a gun strapped to your side!

Under the current rules, laws, regulations, and legislation (United States related), "for sport", doesn't even figure into the equation, whereas, "to kill", does. Pathetic to think that a majority of US gun-owners take up arms and guns for all the wrong reasons.

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Originally Posted by Mrs-M

Good on you. Unfortunately, calamitous and flimsy laws (US related) allowing people to use deadly force in a public place if they have reasonable belief that they are in danger of death, or great bodily harm, undermines the dimension of how well one was or wasn't raised, because with laws such as the one I just outlined, who needs enemies!

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You ignore the reality though, and yet there is plenty of data to look at if you care to honestly examine the situation, instead of emoting.

Normal law-abiding citizens in America who lawfully carry concealed weapons have not been the cause of the streets running red with blood of innocents, and may in fact have contributed to a drop in the crime rate.

By the way, I am curious Mrs-M - how you propose a law-abiding citizen respond to an attacker when they have reasonable belief that the attacker is going to kill them or grievously harm them? Call 911 on their cell phone, and wait for the police to arrive to mop up the blood and write a report? Lie back and enjoy the rape, so you don't harm the self-esteem of the attacker? Allow your child to be kidnapped, so as not to upset the quiet of your suburban neighborhood by resisting?


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Originally Posted by Mrs-M

Oh... my apologies, as if one whole year makes all the difference,

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What is the magic age, Mrs-M? 22? 30? 50? 65?

When do you consider a citizen old enough to assume the rights and responsibilities of adult citizenship?

Or is the answer simply "never, everyone should be treated as a child by the all-knowing state. Except for representatives of the state, who are made of magic pixie dust and unicorn smiles, and better than the rest of us..."?

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Originally Posted by Mrs-M

Under the current rules, laws, regulations, and legislation (United States related), "for sport", doesn't even figure into the equation, whereas, "to kill", does.

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My state has numerous laws on the books defining our acceptable "sporting" uses of firearms. Those laws describe where shooting ranges can not be built (residential areas, near schools, etc.), what license is required to hunt various types of large and small game, what time of year it is legal to hunt that game, what level of hunter safety classes are required to get a hunting license, acceptable ways to legally, and safely, transport firearms to and from sporting venues, what types of ammunition can be sold to the public for sporting purposes, and on and on...

Every state in the US has a similar collection of laws. I've heard some folks in Canada hunt or use guns in other ways beside murdering their fellow citizens so I suspect similar laws exist there, too.

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Originally Posted by Gregg

Every state in the US has a similar collection of laws. I've heard some folks in Canada hunt or use guns in other ways beside murdering their fellow citizens so I suspect similar laws exist there as well.

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But it seems facts aren't the issue here, Gregg....