But in my fantasy deal with the devil, would you take it?Trump goes away permenantly in exchange for all current legal threats and charges dropped.
Deal?
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But in my fantasy deal with the devil, would you take it?Trump goes away permenantly in exchange for all current legal threats and charges dropped.
Deal?
No deal IL. I want him to pay the price for his crimes unless by disappearing you mean dying.
IL will get her deal eventually because Trump is old and overweight and will die and no one will bother to prosecute once he is gone.
Bet his whole family is in on the grift though.
So, you will risk him being President of the United States again. Alrighty then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
If it can be proved that he is involved in espionage--like selling classified information to Putin, I don't believe he will be allowed to just walk away.
You all remind me of the romance scammer victims I have been watching on Youtube. Hope springs eternal with them:Just another $3,200 will get their boyfriend home. Then another $1480. Next week it is $16,780. Then,…wait!here is the BIG event that will finally get their boyfriend into their arms from his oil rig/prison/hospital bed etc. and it is $138,000!Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
with Trump you all are saying “THIS time we will get him! “ yet he wiggles out of jail time over and over.
Whatever happens, Trump will have the best lawyers in the world. I imagine the bar is high for conviction. In fact it should be because isn’t espionage a capital offense? Don’t you all often tell me you would rather see someone go free than be wrongly convicted and given the chair?
People, take the deal. Say goodbye to Trump.
trump is known not to pay his lawyers. Heard tell he had to pay $3 million up front for the current one....
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ront-rcna48109
trump will not be wrongly convicted. There is so much evidence against him plus many people who can testify.
IL maybe you should start a new thread that is a poll.. As others have stated, rump should be subject to the law as we all are... no special treatment.
Judging from the lawyers he currently has he most certainly will not have the best. Even his bought and paid for judge can only protect him so much. Her delusions of a Supreme Court appointment fit right in with IL’s romance fantasy.
You may very well be right, considering his history.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Those romance scams are fascinating to me. I don't understand how anyone, no matter how lonely, could be taken in by them. Unless you were a close relative or a lifetime friend, there's no way I'd send you any meaningful amount of money, let alone my life savings. Mind-boggling.
Spending $1.6m of tax money to pay a big Republican donor to fly 50 immigrants from not Florida to not Florida. Republican fiscal responsibility at its finest.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...tion-rcna48967
He has twelve million to spend on migrant relocation but these souls were not in Florida and were here legally. Last night someone told me every penny is worth it because DeSantis made a bold statement. Some people have so much hate in their hearts they will defend anything. Of course some people are speaking out but he has a hold on republicans and is very clever and much smarter than Trump I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
In other news, the special master is one tough cookie. I guess today, after Trump told Sean Hannity the FBI planted documents he wanted proof of that in a signed statement. And famous Alex Jones is is making an ass out of himself in court. Maybe all the liers are finally facing the music. I predict once midterms are over more Republicans will denounce or distance from Trump. Plus the NY indictment. Interesting that no other Republican or Democratic president had anywhere near the lawsuits, accusations and investigations surrounding trump.
I hope someone saved the gallows the Jan 6 tourists put up.
Yeah but bill Clinton lied about a blowjob…Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
I shudder when I think what could have happened on that day, although it certainly was horrible enough. An angry mob out of control. Pence or Pelisi could have been killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
flowers, I do feel sorry for you, having a governor who is playing to the cameras for a possible Presidential run. That would annoy me greatly, that he is grandstanding rather than tending to business of my state.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
That said, I like DeSantis well enough and will gladly vote for him over Trump. I wish him well, very well, in a showdown with Trump. He has governed well IMHO. He is smart, not only politically smart, but intelligent and hardworking. I do not know where exactly he comes down in traditional conservative values but I am guessing he is more thoughtfully conservative in those principles than is Trump.
"I do not know where exactly he comes down in traditional conservative values but I am guessing he is more thoughtfully conservative in those principles than is Trump."
That's a low bar, as Trump's never had even the slightest interest in the workings of government, save what's in it for him.
Nope. I'd like to see the legal system convict Trump of felonies committed and exposed as a con man. He may not permanently go away, but would be significantly diminished and there would be some legal precedence to discourage others from following in his footsteps.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
You need to do more research. Guessing doesn't cut it. If you remember, trump endorsed him. Now he is an adversary so that is not the case. We can only hope some truly "conservative" republican" comes forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I agree that speaking at rally’s around the country, probably on our dime is very annoying. I guess Florida has no problems he could work on . He is being sued for firing an elected official so what he may be all about may come to lightQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I’m interested to know what you would call traditional conservative values. I remember Bush the greater being a family man. He was not boastful or mean. He was for smaller government and family values. I don’t recall him spending huge amounts of time traveling and spending wads of cash at his own properties and he was not constantly stirring up the pot. He was liked by the right and at least tolerated if not liked well enough by the left. Kind of the opposite of our last president.
Right, I am well aware of Governor DeSantis’ action in firing an elected prosecutor. When I first heard about it, related to me by a liberal voting friend, I thought that might not be a good idea or even a constitutionally supported idea. You (the generic you) have to be careful in removing from office an elected-by-the-people officer holder. The people are in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
However, the prosecutor openly said he would not prosecute crime he didn’t believe should be on the books. Well, he doesn’t get to decide that although granted, prosecutors do not go after every crime because they look for evidence to convict, and even cops don’t go after every crime.
But I wondered in my own little prosecutorial blue area how that would embolden our own city prosecutor who flagrantly fails to prosecute, sometimes due to lack of resources due to her own mismanagement and sometimes for her own idealogical reasons.
But then I read that DeSantis DOES have the constitutionally given power to remove from office elected officials who fail to do their job.
This Florida prosecutor stated he wouldn’t do his job.
Making a grandstand declaration “I will not prosecute [certain ] laws” is a BIG noisy political position and the governor has the right AND the responsibility to address that bullshxt.
It looks as though a judge agrees that
DeSantis has the constitutionally required authority to remove that prosecutor.
Here is an interesting opinion about a sheriff which is making the AG say his firing is political
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opin...acq-story.html
I'm not saying I agree with anything just more drama
And speaking of elected prosecutors who should be removed from office by the governor of the state, our own city prosecutor lied on a super high profile case, and was brought up on ethics charges for it. The lying prosecutor got off by a plea agreement where she stated she had “made mistakes” in her handling of the politically charged case.
While I would like our governor to remove her for the incompetence she shows again and again in addition to her political avenger-lying actions, I do not know if he has the constitutional authority. And realistically, the cesspool that is St.Louis would just elect someone else likely as bad.
This article references an entirely theoretical discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
why don’t you and I talk when the “constitutional amendment” referenced in this article goes through. Hint: that will be the 12th of never.
The polls show Most republicans (61%) support declaring the US a Christian nation…. meaning those not a christian lose a variety of rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_nationalism
Critics have raised concerns about racist tendencies, male violence, and anti-democratic sentiment that is often associated with the modern white Christian nationalist movement.[23][24]
Shows Putin embraces this stance. Not a government we should emulate IMO!!!
Why NOT to vote republican!!!
but I agree with you. The arguments put forth by the talking heads, political ads and candidates are ridiculous. Whether you watch CNN or Fox or whatever are meaningless unless you look into the issue yourself. But none of us are constitutional experts in my opinion. Even the Supreme Court justices don’t agree after years of study. It will play out in the courts at taxpayer expense. And as usual the mantra of distract, exaggerate or make up claims continues to bombard voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Asshole republicans... trying to kill women. Hope they rot in hell.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/polit...nvs/index.html
Women are just vessels--a means to an end. Didn't you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
As my friend would say "they walk among us."
Okay---Where are we on this debate? I have no time to sit here, and split hairs and go back and forth. See? I'm so thoroughly polarized at this point, that I hope to wake up in a world with no "liberals", or illiberal liberals. But yeah--I'll be voting by the same old present-your-ID at the polling place at the Church nearby, and vote straight-ticket, except for Libertarians. Yup. Unless--there's a save-the-animals candidate, running as an independent. Then sure. Hope that helps you kids some. Thankk Mee.
Apparently now it’s acceptable for Republican state attorneys general to run from process servers and then lie later, claiming that they didn’t know who the person was. (Despite the process server having handed their card to the AG’s wife 20 minutes earlier). The absolute contempt that republicans take towards law and order ought to be remarkable but it’s become so commonplace that it just gets accepted.
Now President Biden hints he may not run. That would be nice. He is too old. He is making so many errors in speech that even mainstream media is now covering it. Looks like he’s not their darling any more.
He said this during the recent 60 Minites tv show interview:
“Look, my intention as I said to begin with is that I would run again," the president said. "But it's just an intention. But is it a firm decision that I run again? That remains to be seen."
There should be a mandatory retirement age for politicians and judges.
This morning he was speaking at the White House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition and Health and wanted to recognize someone who was a past co-chair of the House Hunger Caucus. He looked around the room and asked "Jackie are you here? Where's Jackie? I think....she was going to be here". He apparently forgot that Representative Jackie Walorski died in a car crash nearly 2 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Yeah that’s another incident, they pile up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Oh but this is a thread about why not to vote for Republicans.
Yes because I don't think most people who voted for Biden care about that AT ALL. I mean he wasn't many people's first choice in the primaries (nearly my last choice though a few who went absolutely nowhere were worse). But hey lot's of dumb voters in this country and he was the Dem nominee - shrug, what can you do, this country and it's dumb voters. And the states given strategic importance in the Dem primaries mostly don't vote for Dems in the general anyway, so it gives a pretty skewed (but more electable? who knows) take.Quote:
Oh but this is a thread about why not to vote for Republicans.
But after he was the nominee, I and I'm sure I am far from alone figured we would rather have whatever was the Dem machine running things than Trump. Even if Biden ran little, Dem machine versus Trump. So it never was really about Biden at all. Now did I anticipate they would do a better job than they have? Well yes, in terms of basic competence (not some super high expectation), I expected the Dem machine to do better, but we definitely didn't have that with Trump either.
Yeah, but it's only real premise is for a few people to attempt to publicly justify their hatred for anyone without the correct political ideology. It got boring about 900 posts ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I don't hate the "never-Trumper" Republicans and former Republicans I'm aware of (and it seems there are a large number of them), even though we have areas of disagreement ("the correct political ideology"). I'm not particularly inclined to hatred, but I make exceptions for bigots and bullies.
I don't hate them. I pity them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
What trauma happened to drive them to their behaviour? At one point, they were happy little kids without a care in the world, and then something changed...
They were probably miserable little wretches tormenting small animals for fun...Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
OK--I acknowledge your position, but I wonder what Tucker Carlson was like as a child--Little Lord Fauntleroy? Lauren Boebert--the Bad Seed? Potential party game.