Originally Posted by
ApatheticNoMore
And anyway who is more free now: a citizen of New Zealand where they have no covid, or a citizen of the most lenient state in the U.S. whatever that is, maybe a Dakota, where masks were never mandated nor any shutdowns enforced. It's obvious. The citizen of New Zealand is going about NORMAL life without care with all the infinite freedom that implies. And the sensible citizen of whatever state where cases are likely exploding is probably haunted by caution, even whatever risks they decide might be worth taking, they are never unaware there is a risk, even if they are in a lower risk group, for most it's still probably best not to get covid than to get it, and then visiting with anyone in a higher risk group is a bad idea. So their freedom is inevitably curtailed to at least some degree by sensible precaution. Meanwhile the citizen of New Zealand is in actuality free to go about life.
That's what a serious plan, decent government, serious social cooperation, serious but limited shutdown etc. could achieve. But it entails a limited period of being told what you can and can't do (the definition of freedom of a 12 year old), as opposed to infinite amount of time being constrained by an endless virus. Mind you I don't think it's the fault of U.S. citizens we don't have that, yea sure some of them suck and will beat up an employee requiring a mask, yea some suck, but this actually requires good government not just good citizens, and we certainly didn't have it under Trump, and it's hard to come by in most of the west it seems. Our governments have failed us.