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Ah, I don't mind the Beatles, although I'm more of a Stones/Zeppelin/Floyd fan, personally. I got the button when I was a teenager, to tick off a rabid-Elvis-fan cousin. It's been great fun for many years now! She still cries on his death-versary. To each their own!
Alan, I’m curious what emotion you feel is appropriate towards a former president that attempted to overthrow the government of the country I love in an attempt to stay in power who still has the support of 40% of voters, many of whom wish he had succeeded in overthrowing the government?
Guilty times 34.
Does anyone know what the crime was that elevated a possible misdemeanor to a definite felony?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
An NBC headline calls it “falsification of business records a class E felony”Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Here's what fact check says and the official charges. My interpretation is that he he used to coverup (a crime) to influence the American public in an election. I would assume the judge explained this to the jury and they agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Or answer "B", it's Biden's witch hunt and a politically motivated national disgrace.
In New York, in order for the charge of falsifying business records to be bumped up to a felony, one must commit the crime of falsifying business records when the “intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.”
“The defendant DONALD J. TRUMP repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election,” the statement reads.
“From August 2015 to December 2017, the Defendant [Trump] orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the Defendant’s electoral prospects,” according to the statement. “In order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws and made and caused false entries in the business records of various entities in New York. The participants also took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the payments made in furtherance of the scheme.”
That's my question, what was the other crime? As I understand it, since there were no charges in this case relating to another crime the judge gave the jurors a list of possible crimes not charged to the defendant in any jurisdictions anywhere and allowed them to choose independently which ones they'd like to apply to the expired misdemeanor in order to achieve the desired result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I suppose if us common citizens would just take a plea deal for a reduced charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I'm not a legal authority, but I'm just guessing the intended use of the illegal coverups to influence an election were part of what elevated the charges and what specifically the jury convicted him of. Does a second conviction of a crime actually have to have existed previously? Is intention sufficient? Did the brilliant Trump attorneys argue that aspect or is it just a social media talking point without any legal backing? He has a right to an appeal.
Ummm.....a real reason to not vote Republican? The presumed Standard Bearer is as of this afternoon a convicted Felon. Isn't that reason enough for a sane person? I rest my case. Rob
What illegal coverups would that be? The charge against him was claiming monies paid to his lawyer as a legal expense. Of course those monies were then used to purchase a non-disclosure agreement with a porn star, but there's nothing illegal about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
If the claim is that it is illegal to do legal things to influence an election, I'm curious to see what type of Pandora's box we've opened. Our current President constantly lies about things such as the rate of inflation when he took office any how many jobs he's created, all in an effort to influence an upcoming election. Do you think we should charge him for that?