To me, impeachment means submerging wrongdoers in vats of peach ice cream until they realize the error of their ways.
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There is for your shirt, Rob.
Rob, unfortunately Trump isn’t going anywhere. I watched some of it yesterday.
Rob, you are completely and utterly wrong about peach ice cream.
In August you all are invited to the Clark County Fair here in SW WA where you may stand in a long line for peach ice cream at the Dairy Wives booth. The real stuff.
Came back to this, thought I typed your name wrong or posted the picture showing left hand threads (the thing I was working with them, via email on).
Rob, since (at least as far as I know, today) he wasn't impeached in the Senate yet, you can't wear the full outfit, so put that on a t shirt. and have some fun with it, since you don't have big orange out.
So after several days of senate trial several republican senators groused to the press that they wished there was new evidence. After those same senators voted multiple times to not call witnesses or allow additional documentary evidence. Apparently they think voters are super stoopid.
And then trump bragged about obstructing congress saying “we have all the material”. Perhaps one of the reporters should have pointed to that and said ‘there’s your new evidence.’
Are you talking about the tears republicans were shedding when their coverup was pointed out to them?
i was thinking of awesome Adam's choking up over the gravity of the situation. I think Rep Nadler accusing anyone who didn't vote his way of treason was a rhetorical masterstroke that changed the hearts and minds of anyone still awake at that point.
Considering that 70% of americans wanted a real trial with witnesses and evidence, the republicans are right to be crying when it was pointed out that they are engaging in a coverup and that their heads will be on a pike if they don't suck up to their leader. They all took an oath to uphold the constitution during this trial and they've all been purjuring themselves ever since. Hopefully at least a few of them will, next november, suffer the fate that caused those tears of fear.
If they'd agreed to an actual trial instead of a coverup they wouldn't have set themselves up to be the subject of democratic political theater. In other words, they brought it upon themselves to have their lack of integrity put in the spotlight.
Except for the more rabid partisans on both sides, I suspect these histrionics will be long forgotten by November. I doubt the mass of voters reporting they favor fair trials will express a great level of outrage that the Senate followed precedent and did not comply with the House managers’ demand that the Senate exercise a great deal more diligence than the House did.
So the voters that didn’t want a coverup are worried about the republican version of precedent? Hahahahahahaha.
Ldahl, you’re smarter than that.
I think what I said was just the opposite. They simply don’t care. They do not believe the proceedings are anything but political on both sides. They do not believe Trump’s ramblings. Nor do they believe that the Democrats are dedicated guardians of the Constitution and “Our Democracy”.
And why should they? They saw the endless efforts to build something out of Russian conspiracy theories. They saw the hurry-up-and-wait House gameplay. They hear highlights of the hyperbolic speechifying in the Senate, and doubt the purity of anyone’s agenda. I don’t think anyone is worried about getting voted out of office over procedural disagreements.
The November elections will turn on many issues, and the Ukrainian phone call will be one of the least important.
Way beyond my usual 85006 issues and my health care access/affordability issues in the US....I am deeply worried for the future of the US. Supposedly 1/2 of registered voters want Trump gone, 1/2 want him to remain in office. Given that Trump seems to inspire strong pro/con reactions.....meaning that it's hard to feel neutral or indifferent towards him, coupled with standard of living decreases and easy access to guns in a population that does not always provide access to mental health help.....this could perhaps become a perfect storm with long term consequences.
I'd be thrilled to be wrong here. Time will tell. Rob
If only there were some way to peek into the future and see what really transpires, independent of both of us and our opinions.....I'm lacking faith living in the America I do, but I do hope you prove to be right. Furthermore I would prefer that you are right.....once again, time will tell. Rob
You may be right generally about their opinions of both parties. But I think you're wrong that they don't care. A wide majority cared that there should be a fair and honest trial with witnesses and evidence. And for those voters I don't think "I had to follow procedure" is going to be an especially effective argument against "Why did my opponent vote for a coverup instead of a fair and honest trial?"
Rob, don't take this wrong but you've loudly professed your lack of faith in America for as long as you've been posting on these forums, well before Trump. I've lost track of how many times you've told us you've felt that way since you were 8 or sometimes 11 or 14. I sincerely believe if you stop looking for and imagining reasons to back up that lack of faith you'd be much happier. So, be thrilled, everything's gonna be fine.
Then it won't surprise you one iota that I lack faith here, no? And please realize that when I was 8 and 11 and 14 having the realizations I've posted, I never once factored an election fail to the level of Donald J Trump taking place. That's a new one for America.....a completely new level of fail.
All that said, I still sincerely you and not I are right here.....but I have no faith in this. Rob
Should be I still sincerely hope above.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that a majority of voters would have to subscribe to your definitions of “fair and honest” as well as “coverup” for that to work. It’s easy to get people to say they’re in favor of fairness and honesty. It’s more difficult to persuade them that politicians aren’t trying to spin those terms in their favor.
What sort of Trumpageddon perfect storm are you worried about, exactly? Some kind of uprising by MAGA-hatted armed militias? Crazy people with guns driven over the edge by their twitter feeds? Democratic Socialists striving for equality by liquidating the rich?
Personally, I think we are a long way from Bosnia.
Latest Fox News poll. 50% of voters think trump should be convicted and removed, compared to 44% who think he shouldn’t. Next up, how the always trumpers say that’s good news for him. Martha mcsally, on the other hand, will continue to berate reporters by calling them liberal hacks if they dare to ask her thoughts on having an actual trial of the president. And lastly, pompeo channels judge rapey mcbeer in an interview with npr. He was shocked that the reporter has a better grasp than he does of where Ukraine is. No one was shocked that he was so pathetic in dealing with the press. It’s not one of his skills.
I think Rapey McBeer refers to supreme court justice Kavanaugh.
I think we are so far away from some sort of social uprising or domestic conflict that it's not on the menu of possibilities. I'm much less sure about how far I trust Don J. on international issues and avoiding some sort of global destabilizing event. Among my historic what if's is, what if the Iranian attack on our airbase had actually taken several American lives. I don't trust the guy to make sound decisions, he doesn't seem to use his wizened and experienced advisers, and we've lost some standing in international support.
Not that the same would ever repeat itself, but what if we had events along the same lines as a Cuban missile crisis.
It’s hard for me to believe we are in for domestic violence on the order of the 1860s, or even the 1960s.