More mask info.
We're going to be requiring masks in public settings in the County under many circumstances likely by tomorrow.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf
https://rs-delve.github.io/reports/2...al-public.html
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More mask info.
We're going to be requiring masks in public settings in the County under many circumstances likely by tomorrow.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf
https://rs-delve.github.io/reports/2...al-public.html
Bae your latest link says implement early for good results. Have you not had cases yet on your island?
The entire county had only 15 cases total, with ~3 weeks since our last case. The county next door to us, where the ferry comes from, had a very high rate of infection. We acted early, and ahead of the state, to close down transient vacation rentals, and engaged in a somewhat expensive media campaign to discourage strongly visitors. Our county of 15,000 people gets millions of tourist visitors a year. My island of 5000 gets about 1 million of them, from all over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
We are investigating how to reopen local businesses responsibly. However, this week, with the good weather and the reopening statewide of state parks for "local day use only", we have been flooded with off-island visitors, who clearly are not engaging in "local day use only", and who are not properly following our social distancing and other policies. We are also getting "virus tourists", who think this is a good place to hide out - it isn't really.
I suspect we will soon have a large rise in the number of cases, but we used the time wisely to prepare. Asking people to wear masks in public settings where they can't properly distance is important - we have 3 cemeteries here on the island, and no hospitals, ICU, ventilators, and so on.
So three locations where six foot distancing is automatically the norm.:devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
@ Toomuchstuff
Good one!
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Originally Posted by dado potato
I guessed wrong this time! The Supreme Court ruled 4-3 to grant the injunction. So now, the legislature will be involved in a rule-making process, before there will be restrictions on travel or business practices.
I am shocked at the decision.
Why? The WI supreme court (from a virtual distance because of course they didn't want to actually come in contact with anyone) made it clear in the days before the primary last month that they are cool with people dying because that's the republican way. Now we get to watch WI follow GA and TN and KS into the rabbithole of "lots of new infections". And all the non-sciency people will be like "who would have thought this was going to happen??????" while the rest of the reality based community says "you're a special kinda stupid aren't ya?" and the non-sciency folks get upset that we're all so "judgey".Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
When I left Wisconsin in 1993 it was progressive and awesome. I have a hard time accepting reality.
It does seem very different than when we used to go there a lot and were looking to buy a house there back in the late 90's.
I suspect case counts etc. to be doctored, WI don't know, not saying specifically by them. But ultimately if there is mass death, you can't really hide that, people know. Or maybe I am wrong, and my last faith in humanity gone. Anyway there is an element of luck to it all, and who gets hit hard, but having no plan does tend to tempt fate, can't keep rolling "tails" forever.
The problem with WI is it is heavily gerrymandered, so the majority can vote Dem and R's have power.
Why? It is the same state and the same political mechanism that was fine with making people wait outside for hours in early April to vote in a primary which could have been conducted by mail (or at least without a curiously restricted set of open polling places in Milwaukee).Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Steve, I was shocked by that also. Between all the political nonsense and high property taxes I would never move back.
My town's library will start curbside pickup of materials June 2nd.
I wish mine would let us bring the books back and start cleaning them so that when they reopen, things will be orderly again.
After the Wisconsin Supreme Court issued the injunction, some county health officers used their statutory authority to impose the same restrictions that had been imposed by the Secretary of DHS (which the court ruled she did not have authority to do). The counties that have ordered the continuation of restrictions (to date) include: Milwaukee, Brown, Kenosha, Dane, Rock and Outagamie.
Other counties are considering what action to take after the court ruling, and yet other counties appear to be allowing what Gov Evers has called "chaos".
During the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918-1919, various Wisconsin local and county health officials quarantined people (there was no cure for influenza at the time) strictly, and there was no legal challenge that I know of.
WS Sect, 252.03 Local health officers may do what is reasonable and necessary for the prevention and suppression of disease; may forbid public gatherings to control outbreaks or epidemics.
My sister said she saw the news last night and it showed bars that were packed.
Showed on news ... in Platteville, WI. People were shoulder to shoulder with no masks. Not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Wonder how many bars that media cameramen had to go to define shoulder to shoulder patrons. ...just idle wonder...
That's what I saw in places on the island last weekend, and expect worse this weekend, and we aren't even "open".Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Likely just one!Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
People eager to "stick it to the libs" have to maintain appearances, you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
alcoholics not taking good care of their health ...
bad for the surrounding community (spread) for sure, but not shocking considering ..
I doubt it-they are fine drinking at home. It was all those screaming "I want my rights" that went to the bars to socialize with their fellow hoax activists!Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I'm impressed with this ability to divine group motivations based on nothing, that's awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
Even if they had started out somewhat "responsibly," by the end of the night their masks would be hanging off, and they'd be all up in their fellow revelers' faces. I contrast that with Dr. Fair, the virologist featured on the news who is hospitalized and receiving oxygen. He believes he caught the virus on a crowded flight to New Orleans. Because he was appropriately masked and gloved, and wiped down with sanitizer, he thinks he caught it when particles entered his eyes.
Do genetics play a role in US responses to the virus?
We are a nation of immigrants, and in order to pick up and move to a new country you are most likely going to have a risk taking gene. We are also a mobile - some might say restless country by and large. I am reading Prairie Fires now about Laura Ingalls Wilder and her family moved all the time, similar to some of my ancestors as I discovered doing genealogy.
Maybe those bellying up to the bar in Wisconsin or continuing to travel are expressing those genes. For instance, the daughter and son-in-law of a coworker were happy to be furloughed so they could travel from New England down to Tennessee to get a rescue dog.
I think that's an interesting question, and risk-takers may have something in their DNA. I also have ancestors that came on the early ships right behind the Mayflower, and their grit and courage amaze me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
But motivation separates the risk-taking settlers and risk-taking COVID-defiers. Motivation to improve your life, to learn about the world, to create in brand new ways in new circumstances is risk-worthy. Motivation to cling to the old ways of shopping and socializing and conducting business as usual, when doing so imperils the lives of all of us, is not courageous. The people who traveled for the rescue dog is a nice story, but bellying up to a bar?
I think there is a more pronounced strain of anti-authoritarianism here than in most other nations. So many of our immigrant ancestors had little reason to trust or respect authority. People on the losing side of wars sold into slavery. Religious dissidents of various degrees of fanaticism. Exiled scoundrels. Escaped criminals. The desperate poor. Failed revolutionaries. The suffering oppressed, perhaps looking to do a little oppression of their own.
Is it any wonder that when various elites claim to speak for God, our best interests, Science or the latest fashion in social justice, a substantial minority almost reflexively thumbs its nose? Even at a substantial cost? The old Tory in me deplores it. The libertarian in me applauds it.
Interesting. (thinking about my own internal socio-political yin/yang)Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Speaking of masks (which we weren't), a company local to Portland (for decades) offers both DIY instructions and pre-made masks for sale:
https://starks.com/vacuum-bag-surgical-masks/
I have no interest in this other than having bought a Kirby from them back in the seventies...
Catherine and LDAHL make good points. Most of our ancestors were some mixture of plucky, disgruntled, lawless, and/or restless, and they probably passed these traits down to us. Add to that we're a relatively young country and less homogeneous all the time, and it makes for a spicy stew.
Well, if you could see all the demonstrations and interviews in small towns in my rural state, you could divine the same thought. :~)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
A friend noticed a large number of Hawaiian shirts in attendance, and Googled. Supposedly, race war/anti government advocates wear them to symbolize "Boogaloo." This along with Confederate flags, AK-whatever, and swastikas, doesn't paint a pretty portrait of the crowd. Personally, I wish they had stuck to brown shirts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
I saw in tonight's news only two states have not eased restrictions - Massachusetts and Connecticut. In Mass we are getting protesters including businesspeople on Cape Cod concerned about the loss of tourism income in the summer. The crowd leans right but they don't sport Hawaiian shirts, guns or Confederate flags. At most you see MAGA hats.
Chicago has not eased restrictions because Illinois is number 3 in the country for the most cases as of yesterday.
I was writing about the state level. Illinois has eased some restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...wpm-story.html
They divided the state into 4 sections. I wonder if you would have a different perspective if you were retired. I think fear is driving your opinions.
Why are people rising up?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonch...ng-astroturfed