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In a CNN article today Dr. Sanjay Gupta writes that, "A billion of them [novel viruses] could fit on the head of a pin." A cloth covering will not screen out something that small. I think anyone not living in a cave or survivalist compound going to be exposed at some point. We have to learn to live with the virus.
Die with it would be a more accurate statement considering that it will be millions of dead people when we give up trying to fight it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I’m also curious what article you read by Dr. Gupta. The one I read certainly didn’t encourage a deadly herd immunity approach.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/17/healt...say/index.html
Yes, you have linked to the article I quoted. He also wrote, "Of course we want it [the virus] to die. We want to kill it. Render it lifeless. But that is impossible."Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
If you cannot kill it you have to learn to live with it.
As I mentioned previously a WHO official said covid could be like HIV, a virus that does not go away, albeit corona does not have the fatality rate of HIV, but of the flu. HIV has been around 40 years and I can't imagine too many people want to go 40 years without a haircut. We have to learn to live with covid.
Interesting Bae that’s it basically just a few groups driving a irresponsible plan which would kill many.
Yeah, I've read that--with Trump basically giving them cover. Don't know why the average yahoo would show up unless they're like the Proud Boys and just love the brawling, or they're being paid. If I were a Canadian, I'd clamor for the borders to be closed permanently.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
We had people protesting at our capital yesterday. Guns, no masks and grouped together. Real geniuses:((. We have been in phase one for 9 days and if cases continue to go down despite more testing we will hit phase two the end of this month. Some of my Wisconsin friends wish they were opening up slowly instead of all at once.
ever state has it's own definition of phases though, I mean some included opening up restaurants in early phases, seems nuts to me.
I've been thinking lately that if I owned a small business such as a restaurant or hair or nail salon I'd rent space in a hardware store parking lot and place tables to serve food, or put a workstation in a liquor store for grooming purposes. Or maybe if I could swing a liquor license for my barber shop I could give a haircut with every inflated liquor purchase.
False.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
What is smallpox? What is rinderpest?
Our restaurants are in phase one but at 50% capacity.
I don't think you could get away with it. Nail and hair salons inside Walmart are closed, as are bank branches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I understand now why I didn't recognize it as the same article you read. Apparently you didn't read the rest of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
That is why I'm worried about my patient right now. In this case, the United States of America. We have been infected, and we are only part way through the miserable therapy. If we stop now, however, it may not just be back to square 1. We may be worse off than we started. The metaphorical resistant bacteria may be unleashed.
Getting through this together means listening to the recommendations from health experts, understanding the rationale, being thorough about the treatment, and not giving up part way through.
No country on earth is even close to herd immunity or even infecting more than a tiny portion of the population, even those with massive deaths per capita, nor NYC for that matter, even if that was possible (and it could easily overwhelm the hospital system before then, certainly would it cases peaked that high before 2021). So yea ...
obviously we might be worse off than we started since there is more coronavirus out there than say mid-March when lockdowns started, so cases start from a higher point and grow from there seems to me.Quote:
If we stop now, however, it may not just be back to square 1. We may be worse off than we started
Same data, different conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Even if everything opened tomorrow it doesn’t mean the economy will go back to normal. Many people won’t go out regardless and spend money. I know you are scared to lose your job but opening up isn’t going to guarantee your business will be immune from layoffs. Things have changed for quite awhile. No easy or quick answer.
I'd think an open air barber shop would be a good venture in good weather. I'd go for it over some of the cramped incubators some of the barber shops have. Maybe car hops and in-car dining could be popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I'm curious TT, if you think it is irresponsible to reopen the economy why are you going out to eat and to get your hair done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
I’ll stick to listening to the experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
How trustworthy is the data? I’ve seen some claims that deaths are being underreported due to insufficient testing. I’ve read that Dr Deborah Birx has said the CDC is over reposting deaths by about a quarter due to including people who die with the disease along with people who die of the disease. Cases have been reported of people dying of drug overdoses or slip and fall injuries being reported as Covid 19 deaths because they tested positive for the virus at the time of death.
And we are going to see the number of COVID-19 cases increase because testing is going to be increased. More testing, more positive ID.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
As for deaths, we humans are complex biological machines. I don’t know what my mother died of as far as what the death certificate said, but her organs gave out as a result of extreme Alzheimer’s disease. So yeah Alzheimer’s killed her but her heart stopped. That’s ultimately what kills all of us, our heart stops.
My brother in law died in February, he had been sick for a week or so with pneumoina like symptoms but he died of a drug overdose, combination of heroin and fentanyl. I suspect if he had died this month he would have been counted as a Covid-19 fatality.
My condolences to family and friends on the loss of your brother-in-law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Dad died of lung cancer at age 70. Listed cause of death? Natural causes. Um, OK. Smoking for 50 years had nothing to do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
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Originally Posted by Alan
I'm so sorry Alan.
I am so sorry Alan. Y, some states aren’t acting responsibly like Wisconsin. Nevada is opening slowly and our numbers meet the government guidelines. My hairdresser is a one person shop. We have eaten outside a few times. If I lived in Chicago I wouldn’t be going anywhere. My husband goes back to work Wednesday in San Jose so I will be getting more exposure regardless.
I was up in WI diving this weekend, near Black River Falls. About a 3.5 hour drive from where I live in the NW suburbs of Chicago. Class with 3 other students and instructor. Other friends from the Chicago area were up as well. We cooked out Saturday evening. We mostly social distanced. Back up there this coming weekend to dive with a friend.
I'm not sure that reducing 90,000 reported deaths by a fourth would really make a difference in the big scheme of things. I can imagine there are cases where a person with underlying conditions challenges their immune system with CV-19 and the exact cause of death may be complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
For all the talk of “irresponsible” Wisconsin, we compare favorably with our neighbors in deaths per 100,000 population (per statists.com). So far, Wisconsin has experienced 8 per 100,000, Iowa 11, Minnesota 13, Illinois 33 and Michigan 49.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
502 new cases on May 16 alone. Yup, celebration time for sure!:( Please point us to the 14 consecutive days of dropping new cases in order to open up safely.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
https://www.google.com/search?q=wisc...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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Originally Posted by LDAHL
@ LDAHL,
As of May 18, the death rate due to COVID-19 was as you say in those 5 states.
The lowest death rate (in 3 states) was 1 per 100,000.
The highest death rates were:
NY 145
NJ 117
CT 96
MA 84
As of May 13, an international comparison:
USA 27.9
Canada 15.76
Sweden 36.31
South Korea .51
Australia .40
Iceland .21
Source: http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...es-us-by-state
Talk about driving while looking in the rear view mirror. No death total from reopening could possible be known until at least a month afterward (and more if their are delays in reporting etc.), because two weeks to hospitalization, another 2 to death.
And that's assuming you went out to a bar that day and caught deadly covid that day or something, which is probably less than the people affected through community spread because the thing is spreading and growing in the community, and so people are getting it even without being completely reckless and crazy, and that probably takes even longer for those cases to show up. That's why we have experts giving advice and not people looking in the rear view mirror for long term effects of policies only now being enacted. There's lots of variables of course, and there may be unknowns as well of course.
“Dangerous” is relative. Just ask an expert. For all the politically motivated pearl-clutching over Wisconsin political battles the last couple of months, Wisconsin has been relatively safer than it’s neighbors. It’s even been safer than Canada. It’s possible that could change in the future as different states accept different levels of risk (which they all must), but that doesn’t make them ignorant yahoos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
But Wisconsin has a Republican majority legislature, you'd almost certainly have 0 per 100,000 if those Republicans didn't like killing people so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I believe the preferred term is "rednecks" as in "all those uneducable rednecks refusing to listen to me".Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
My philosophy is also I am exposed anyways through my job, so why should I be restricted? Let high risk people stay home, pay them to stay home with tax dollars, deliver things to them, so long as they are willing to stay home. But don't curtail my freedoms because 1) you think you're protecting me when I'm already at risk and 2) vulnerable people who could stay home don't have the self-discipline to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
The reason WI was safer is because of being shutdown. Watch and see what happens now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Could be... do as trump does, don't wear a mask and tell everyone to open up those sports arenas. Hey, we need to get everyone out there! Unlike trump, we are not all tested daily. My hope is he gets the virus so he has some perspective of what is really going on. I would bet he would change his tune. Look at Boris Johnson... I read today that he thinks it may be a long time (if ever) that a vaccine will be available. Unlike trump, who is saying the vaccine will be available by year end. Although trump also said the virus would be gone by April.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
We KNOW what you think. You keep yapping about it daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej