Iris lilies, how are things in your hood?

Well, they need to follow procedures--the body has to be left there, awhile. After all, he's dead. This is why the tragic Jonbenet Ramsey murder investigation was greatly hampered in a high risk/low frequency case in Boulder. Inexperienced case squad allowed the Body to be moved, scene not secured, evidence tainted, by people entering the premises. Besides, if theyda whisked his corpse off to the Ferguson morgue right away--aha!--evidence of a coverup! See? I could recite a number of instances in my area, where I happened by the scene of fatal accidents, and the victims lay at the scene, while the investigation was in progress. Unpleasant, yes; but, a fact of life? Yes.

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

My net take away is that there is yet more reason to fear America

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No doubt they have struggled to manage the situation. Standard tactics didn't work. Hug a thug didn't work. But dealing with violent people who operate from within innocent groups is a very difficult job, hopefully they learned some lessons this time. And I'm sure that if they would have removed the body quickly you'd be crying cover up and insufficient investigation. Some people are going to be critical no matter what.

In the end I do find it ironic that you and your lynch mob are so quick to abandon one of the most precious rights we all have- due process. You whine about what is wrong with America, but I'll tell you what's right about it- the rights of the individual are not subject to your tyranical posse or beholden to spineless politicians. The cop will likely be indicted. Let the judicial process work. If he is guilty he should be punished. But if he isn't and you still want to impose your mob justice, then I think you are the bigger threat to the future of this country than the bumbling fuzz.

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

Just want to stop by here and say that this is sort of like that thread on the carts that grocery stores in my neighborhood used to let people cart their food back to their residences with - I'm just amazed at the responses. Beyond anything I may have posted, I am amazed that we have posters here who have seen the excessive police force - arrests of journalists, teargas before the end of curfew, armored vehicles and guns trained on protestors, riot gear that is above what soldiers in Iraq were given when they were in combat, the police handing out information when they damn well felt like it - how anyone can be OK with this police behavior is completely beyond me. The facts that there are people who are makes me grateful to be lower income and struggling and see things the way I do. My net take away is that there is yet more reason to fear America and I can not wait for the lawsuits to start pouring in. It's like my mother told me when I was seven - the only way you can change anything in America is by terror of financial ruin. I don't believe this is true 100% of the time but my experience is it is true more often that it is not. This is why I look forward to the lawsuits.

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Rob you just have a different way of viewing things, a way that's foreign to most adults. I was astounded to hear you say that it was perfectly ok to take a businesses shopping carts home with you and leave it there for them to come and pickup after you parked it at your curb. Actually, I'm even astounded that you brought it up again. I think your outlook blinds you to the inappropriateness of that action.

I'm having the same problem trying to understand your thoughts on the Ferguson events. You get so wrapped up in indignation, seeing only what you want to see and coming to conclusions based on your biases rather than facts, it's hard to have an adult conversation about it. You're watching a group of people destroy a neighborhood, something that may take generations to overcome, and you want to punish the only people on the scene working to prevent that destruction. That just doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by Alan

Rob you just have a different way of viewing things, a way that's foreign to most adults.

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Who knows what ways of seeing things are common to most adults. At best I suppose you could say "polls say" and try to show statistical validity, but even polls depend on how questions are worded etc... and who audits the polling?

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I was astounded to hear you say that it was perfectly ok to take a businesses shopping carts home with you and leave it there for them to come and pickup after you parked it at your curb. Actually, I'm even astounded that you brought it up again. I think your outlook blinds you to the inappropriateness of that action.

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I always assumed it was some type of regional or subcultural difference or something.

Good post Alan........although I did sort of understand the shopping cart thing.
But Rob.......it just feels like you are operating out of something from your past that was unfair/unjust to you, and now you're just not seeing the whole picture now. In a perfect world these things wouldn't happen.....but when they do, we have to look at facts, and also realize that it's not all black and white (so to speak). It's an extremely complicated situation. There are sooooo many factors. I fear you make your stand the second something happens, and it colors everything else you look at. It sounds like you really see yourself as a victim and automatically side with certain victims and just won't budge in seeing it any other way.
I'm sure alot of us are like that in one way or another. But it seems like you just take it too far. Something like "me thinks thou dost protest too much"....... It feels to me that you're fighting a very personal battle, and it colors your vision a bit. I'm not saying this angrily Rob. Just saying try to see the bigger picture, even if it doesn't come naturally.

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Originally Posted by Packy

Well, they need to follow procedures--the body has to be left there, awhile. After all, he's dead.

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Yup. I've been involved in multiple death scenes. Until the coroner and sheriff release the body, it stays there and you maintain the integrity of the scene for evidence collection. Even clumsy firefighters and EMTs get training in this.

It's not like TV where they take a couple of snapshots, then drag off the corpse.

Maybe they should have one of those pop-up tents for around the body. That might have made people feel better. Wasn't there a big long blood stain outside the sheet?

I think television shows have made a lot of things seem wrong/inept to us these days. Everything is perfect on those shows; the CSI team and medical examiner always find everything out there is to find; everything happens in lightening speed.........whereas in real life, it takes months; There's always some video camera nearby that gets the crime on film, and if it's blurry, the tech guy can make it clear. It gives us all a false concept of how things should be.

The family of the dead young man say they just want the officer arrested. What do you all think about this? Would that be premature without an investigation, or is it fair to think he should be arrested? I really don't know.

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Originally Posted by bae

Yup. I've been involved in multiple death scenes. Until the coroner and sheriff release the body, it stays there and you maintain the integrity of the scene for evidence collection. Even clumsy firefighters and EMTs get training in this.

It's not like TV where they take a couple of snapshots, then drag off the corpse.

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Back when I was getting my Criminal Justice degree I did one of my internship on a CSI unit with a large sheriff's dept for a semester and they often left bodies there for many, many hours. Standard procedure. It is commonplace though to put up tents and other coverage to protect the body - and any evidence - from the elements. However it is a HUGE no-no to physically cover the body with a blanket or tarp or anything else that touches the body and may destroy or taint any evidence. Just doing that, or changing anything on or near the body, can mean that any evidence collected can be thrown out of court.

As for Rob's (or anyone's) desire to see rioting and it's carnage go on without a police effort to stop it...well that's just something I don't understand. Yes, peaceful protest is OK and was allowed, but why cheer for looting and rioting? Don't get that at all. Citizen's and their property should be protected. Rioting and looting should be stopped. People who voluntarily choose to remain in those areas when violence starts need to leave asap or suffer the potential harm that can come either from rioters or from police who are trying to quell the riots. Personally I don't understand why such things are even applauded when WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YET. There is an investigation, the Grand Jury be will be convened to hear the evidence against the cop, and most likely, if it's not ruled a justifiable homicide, that cop will be found guilty at trial and sentenced. Why lay waste to your city and run rampant in the streets until you know the outcome of a trial? Rob may think that the rest of the world looks at us a totalitarian police state where rogue cops rule, but I think they look at us as a bunch of crazed whacked out people who riot and loot and cause harm just for kicks and no one stops it.

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Originally Posted by CathyA

The family of the dead young man say they just want the officer arrested. What do you all think about this?

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What would you arrest him for?

What does "arrest" mean? When are you allowed to "arrest" someone? What are the standards?

What happens if you "arrest" someone without proper cause?

And in related news, The New Black Panthers are leading marches demanding the officer's death. There's Rob's social media at work! (The NBP took longer than I had predicted to get to this, though I'm still waiting for the reward to be offered.)

Well, while I don't have confirmation of this story, it more-than-meets Rob's standard of proof:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...th-mike-brown/

As it happens, I am quite familiar with these sorts of facial injuries. In addition to my professional training, I was on a jury a few years ago with this exact same sort of damage resulting from a violent assault - I had to suffer through seemingly-endless medical testimony on the subject.

Sure *looks* like someone may have hit the officer quite hard in the face. Wonder what was going on when that happened?

Of course, best to wait until credible evidence is presented by credible sources. Say at an inquest or trial....

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The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture. (AAPOS)

This comes after St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter tweeted out last night that a dozen local witnesses confirmed Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson’s version of the Brown shooting story.

More… The St. Louis County Police told reporters after the shooting that the police officer involved suffered facial injuries. He “was hit” and the “side of his face was swollen.”

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