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Originally Posted by Yppej
Whine, whine, whine... know how to do anything else?
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Originally Posted by Yppej
Whine, whine, whine... know how to do anything else?
Wow, this is just...special.
"We want them infected."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...trategy-446408
We're number one! (In pandemic idiocy.)Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Meanwhile, people are dying and suffering with long-lasting and permanent effects--like Herman Cain, and the director of White House Security who lost parts of a foot and one leg. Not everybody gets--or can afford--Trump's super-duper extra special COVID treatment.
"Let them eat cake..."Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
First we were told covid hit our shores in February, then January, then December, then November. The genie was already out of the bottle before anyone caught on. The idea that we could have stopped community spread is not true. You have to know about something to stop it.
It was circulating in Italy as early as September 2019 and there is lots of travel between Italy and the US. Source: Reuters, link below.
https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN27W1J2
"The low rate of lethality" is one reason it was not identified earlier according to the article.
Developing natural herd immunity among healthy people while protecting the vulnerable is not an unreasonable approach for a low lethality virus.
The problem is our vulnerable are not protected. Here is an article on how dirty nursing homes are:
https://www.pedagogyeducation.com/Ma...s.aspx?news=78
Cherry-picking. Be healed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
At best herd immunity was a bet that we wouldn't have a vaccine first, a bet they lost, we do have a vaccine available and will have one even widely available first. And it is PLENTY irrational to assume there is a way to protect the vulnerable when no such way exists. I kind of suspect the type of countries capable of protecting the vulnerable, if such is even possible, probably have perfectly overlap with the countries able to crush covid and thus not needing to. Any counter examples where they had tons of covid and protected the vulnerable? Low rate of fatality in a large enough of population still means a lot of unnecessary death including of those at low risk (under 50 and no preexistings) who still sometimes die of it.
Trump had to go. He had to go. You can't kill your own people and get away with it (and have them lap it up). It's as bad as a precedent gets. Talk about lambs to the slaughter. He had to go. Biden may interpret it as a mandate for whatever ridiculous spectacle we are presented with now (choosing a cabinet by identity as if that was the most important thing - oh it's so silly) But he was the ventriloquists dummy the desire to oust Trump spoke through and spoke enough to be done with him.
Most people I know have one mask or neck gaiter they've been wearing for the entire pandemic. Oh snap!
I cannot get the link to copy but a story in today's New York Post reports many masks worn today are worse than no mask at all. Wearing a mask slows down airflow and increases the chance infectious particles lodge in the nose, to summarize. This especially happens with reused pleated masks.
In the highly scientific realm of "most of the people I know", it's been a long time since I've seen anyone wearing a gaiter. I have noticed that some people in retail wear flimsy masks that fit loosely, I suppose for comfort more than efficiency. I have a handful of masks. My favorite is the Under Armor. It's a heavier material and is tailored to match nose and chin contours and comes in sizes for a good fit. I see a lot sports figures on tv wearing them with the iconic Under Armor logo. I wear it while cycling and it actually feels good in the cool weather and doesn't fog glasses as long as you are moving and there is air flow around the glasses. Since the second (or is it third) surge most of the trail walkers and cyclists wear a mask of some sort even though they are outdoors. Second favorite are the Adidas mask that come three to a pack. A little lighter material, comfortable and also good for exercise. I have an older mask purchased at the start of things that has a plasticky feeling inner lining that tends to lie flat against the nose and mouth. Not good.
A late night talk show I sometimes hear a bit of before falling asleep promotes a mask with a small battery and fan to keep a fresh flow of air to the face. Seems like a gimmick, but they are out there.
"Low rate of lethality?" We've lost over 300,000* souls in nine months--the mortality rate among those infected is around 3%--not to mention the morbidity rate. Herd mentality through infection is a dumb, dangerous idea.
*This compares to pre-vaccination era measles deaths of around 450 per year in the U.S.