Conavirus......

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Originally Posted by Sonora Shepherd

"Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly and Clemson coach Dabo Sweeney slammed the possibility of playing the College Football Playoff without parents in attendance on Friday, suggesting the Rose Bowl should be moved to another location if it can't accommodate them." I think it is the ACC Championship Game. It seems like a live game. I hope it is an old game, but don't think it is.

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The ACC Championship game is tomorrow. I believe there are 4 college games scheduled for today although there should be covid protocols in place for each, I believe that's an NCAA requirement.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

I think most people are taking the precautions they consider reasonable. I think JP1 needs to come and Visit my block in my very blue city Biden for president signs, black live matter signs, rainbow declarations and etc. abound, and I can point to every household that has had out-of-state vacations by choice, many households with more than one, in the past few months. They use airplanes. Did they comply with each state’s quarantine requirement? I don’t know, but kinda makes you wonder. Again, these are all very liberal political voters.

A close friend, gay and Dem voter, related how he took so many precautions when he flew to California. Stayed three weeks. Stayed mostly in one place to visit our friends. Only they all piled into a car pile and traveled from California to another state to visit another set of our friends.

It’s all OK because he took precautions.

Like I said, everyone thinks they’re taking precautions. It’s silly that we as a society are painting this as a liberal and conservative issue. That’s not what I see in actual practice.

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I think that the "following protocols or not" question is definitely bigger than team red vs. team blue. The non-followers can probably be divided into a few groups. At the low end of the economic spectrum there's a clear red group who just don't want to do the masking and not hugging and not getting together thing. Dozens of articles about random sad small rural counties are easily found to confirm this. Further up the economic spectrum there are a lot of people who refuse to follow the recommendations and are doing house parties and such. On up above that are the people who are probably wearing masks everywhere but still doing houseparties and getting on planes and whatever. All of them combined are the reason that we're in a death spiral from covid. Only the first group are politically specific. The rest are probably divided pretty equally between team red and team blue.

Personally I'd rather not die or bring covid into my home and kill SO with all his co-morbidities. Instead of whining about the restrictions like some people do, I tend to just get pissed at the stupidity of all the people who refuse to follow the guidance, regardless of where they are on the socio-economic spectrum or political spectrum. We will continue to take this seriously and hope that the vaccines will ultimately squash this.

Random perspective from a friend on facebook. Friend, before covid, traveled a lot. Both for personal and for professional reasons. For ten months now he has not gone anywhere. He's high risk, having had two heart attacks despite not yet being 50 and having his father die of a heart attack in his 30's. He's patiently (well, maybe not so patiently, but still, waiting) waiting until he's vaccinated before he gets out and does stuff. Because he likes to travel he used to be subscribed to "the points guy" on facebook. The points guy, as one might expect, offers tips on how to score deals if you are a frequent traveler. Friend announced yesterday that he stopped following "the points guy" because he's tired of half of "the points guy"'s followers trying to justify ignoring public health advisories just because they "can't possibly stay home" or "i need my miles!" or whatever stupid reason they come up with.

IrisLillies, might I suggest you foster a few kittens? Likely by the time they’re old enough to be adopted, you will have come to your.... senses, LOL

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Originally Posted by Yppej

Here is an example of the idea that masks will save us. A coworker has been pressured by his family to fly to Florida, pick up granny, and fly back with her to Massachusetts so she can attend all the family holiday gatherings. He thinks it is a bad idea. I think it is a bad idea. But hey, they will wear masks on the plane and he will get a covid test before returning to work so what could go wrong?

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The employee is back to work after picking granny up and flying her to Massachusetts. He got a test as soon as he returned. A senior friend of my mom's flew to Atlanta for Thanksgiving and got a test 2 days after she returned.

Yet I see in the news that there is a 5 day latency period for covid and you should quarantine 5 days after you return before being tested. But people don't want to sit around and quarantine so that is not going to happen and employers don't want to be short staffed so they won't require it. Mom's friend works part time and she was also right back to work.

Our testing and contact tracing system is pathetic. In hard-hit areas, you're lucky if you're tested at all, let alone multiple times.

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Originally Posted by mschrisgo2

IrisLillies, might I suggest you foster a few kittens? Likely by the time they’re old enough to be adopted, you will have come to your.... senses, LOL

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That is a fantasy! I’m just afraid that I will be stuck with kittens that have not been adopted. That worries me very much.

I will confess that One reason whyI do Bulldog Rescue because there is a strong “market” for English bulldogs.I don’t do pitbull rescue because that is heartbreaking, I can’t get into that world. The world of English bulldogs is, if I stay away from the sad stories, happy and successful.

There are about 10 million cats that need to be adopted. That worries me so much.

Alan is right. I have battle rattle. Thanks

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Originally Posted by Yppej

The employee is back to work after picking granny up and flying her to Massachusetts. He got a test as soon as he returned. A senior friend of my mom's flew to Atlanta for Thanksgiving and got a test 2 days after she returned.

Yet I see in the news that there is a 5 day latency period for covid and you should quarantine 5 days after you return before being tested. But people don't want to sit around and quarantine so that is not going to happen and employers don't want to be short staffed so they won't require it. Mom's friend works part time and she was also right back to work.

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I heard the story on the radio, the radio host told it: a family wanted to have a 80th birthday party for their grandfather. Everyone got tested before the party. Everyone wore masks except when they were eating in their enclosed room in a restaurant.


Many people came down sick. I don’t know what the end result is and if anyone died but here’s what kills me: the host said “here they did everything right and they still get Covid!”

Nope, they did not do everything right, they had a party in an enclosed room with a bunch of people who are not wearing masks. That is not “doing it right. “

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Originally Posted by jp1

I think that the "following protocols or not" question is definitely bigger than team red vs. team blue.

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I didn’t get that from any of your posts over the past eight months. I thought it was only red state flyover country, trump voting, republican Neanderthals who were earning your ire.

I think you did not hit hard enough keyboard warriors who piously point out their own mask wearing. I mean it’s good that they’re wearing masks, it’s good that we all wear masks. I wear a mask when I know I’m going to be with humans! But I don’t need to bring attention to it. Nor do I need all levels of government to quack on about me wearing it.