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9-8-11, 1:18pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by Florence

In 1972 I manned the phone lines to help re-elect Richard Nixon. Fast forward to 2000 when I sent a campaign contribution to help re-elect GWB. Between those two points, voting was pretty much just pulling the Republican lever. Then came Iraq. That was the beginning of my disenchantment with the Republican Party. I didn't leave them--they left me.

Roughly 40% of Democrats in the House and 60% in the Senate voted in favor of the Iraq Resolution. Did they leave you too?
9-8-11, 1:25pm
Zigzagman

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Originally Posted by alan

Roughly 40% of Democrats in the House and 60% in the Senate voted in favor of the Iraq Resolution. Did they leave you too?

Knowing everything you know now - you honestly do not believe that the American public and Congress were mislead on Iraq?

Peace
9-8-11, 1:47pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by Zigzagman

Knowing everything you know now - you honestly do not believe that the American public and Congress were mislead on Iraq?

Peace

I think that some of the intelligence turned out to be faulty. I think the real question is, was it intentionally faulty? It seems that many, after the fact, think so. I'm not one of them.
9-8-11, 1:47pm
Spartana

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Originally Posted by Gina

I too was a life-long Republican, but left about the time Bush-Cheney lied us into invading Iraq. Their actions were a mass betrayal of everything I ever thought that the US stood for. I now consider myself an independent.

Ditto!! And although I considered going back (to the dark side ;-)!) when McCain ran, he lost me once he choose Palin. Now I'm an Obama Mama all the way and will Ba"rock" the vote again ;-)!
9-8-11, 1:57pm
Spartana

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Originally Posted by alan

I think the real question is, was it intentionally faulty?

Hmmm... Dick Cheney wouldn't "mislead" would he? And what about the Joint Chiefs? The CIA? Nah, they wouldn't "mislead" :-)! I'm a strong supporter of the military but even for me the Iraq invasion on so little (and so weak) intel was way over the top and out of line.
9-8-11, 4:16pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by Spartana

Hmmm... Dick Cheney wouldn't "mislead" would he? And what about the Joint Chiefs? The CIA? Nah, they wouldn't "mislead" :-)! I'm a strong supporter of the military but even for me the Iraq invasion on so little (and so weak) intel was way over the top and out of line.

You're implying something that is not in evidence.
The previous administration as well as many of our European allies thought Iraq was still in possession of WMD's. Were they all misleading us?
9-8-11, 4:28pm
Zigzagman

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Originally Posted by alan

You're implying something that is not in evidence.
The previous administration as well as many of our European allies thought Iraq was still in possession of WMD's. Were they all misleading us?

I don't want to veer totally off topic but here is a link to the Senate Intelligence Committee's finding on Iraq. Take a little time and I think you might change your mind - but maybe not.

This is a direct quote from Sen. Jay Rockefeller, "In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent," the Committee chairman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, said on releasing the 172-page report. "As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed."There is no question we all relied on flawed intelligence," he added. "But, there is a fundamental difference between relying on incorrect intelligence and deliberately painting a picture to the American people that you know is not fully accurate."

Peace
9-8-11, 5:26pm
Florence

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Originally Posted by alan

Roughly 40% of Democrats in the House and 60% in the Senate voted in favor of the Iraq Resolution. Did they leave you too?

No, I think they were as misled as I was.
9-8-11, 5:57pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by Florence

No, I think they were as misled as I was.

Was President Clinton misled in 1998? http://articles.cnn.com/1998-12-16/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS

Perhaps it was Saddam Hussein who intentionally misled the entire world's intelligence communities?
9-8-11, 6:04pm
peggy

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Originally Posted by alan

Was President Clinton misled in 1998? http://articles.cnn.com/1998-12-16/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS

Perhaps it was Saddam Hussein who intentionally misled the entire world's intelligence communities?

Did President Clinton attack Iraq? Did President Clinton try to cherry pick and fudge to make a case to attack Iraq? I'm sure President Clinton suspected a lot of things, many of which probably were true. But the big difference is, he didn't mislead the congress and nation to match the little voices in his head.

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