The white angry middleclass is having an orgy of excitement over Sarah Palins endorsement of Trump. Can you say Madamme Secretary of State Palin?
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The white angry middleclass is having an orgy of excitement over Sarah Palins endorsement of Trump. Can you say Madamme Secretary of State Palin?
So, angry white man, how do you feel about this new turn of events? Personally I'm relieved, I had a feeling my Dad might actually vote for Trump out of pure peevishness, but no way is he voting for Palin.
ETA: oh, I guess she's not actually his running mate (yet), but there's a thought for ya.
I think a Trump/Palin presidency would ultimately be good for the US.
It'd be a painful 8 years, but after that I think there would be a lot of wising up in this country.
I'm not sure we could survive those years.........as a nation or as individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
We'd muddle through for the most part. I have said this before and I will say it again: Americans need to learn that stupidity has negative consequences.
Trump is the man to teach Americans that lesson -- the hard way.
I think, as usual, the people who vote for our new president will excuse his/her actions by blaming congress, and the ones who didn't vote for that person will blame him/her for everything wrong in the world before the inauguration even takes place. Deliver us from Donald.
I would see it as roughly the same level of stupidity as the past eight, with perhaps half the condescension.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
I'm going to send the Rubio campaign a few bucks and hope for the best.
The angry white middleclass is looking forward to Sarah Palin addressing the Republican Party convention in Cleveland making the nomination speech for Trump with an AR 15 rifle slung around her chest wearing an NRA cap and a NASCAR pit crew coat. Who cares about what Trump really believes. It's all about rubbing the oppositions noses in it and winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by kib
Tough question here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
The way you phrase this, and within its context, it seems like you think this is a systemic -- and political -- issue. Isn't the Republican response to say: "Your kids are worse off than you at their age because of personal failings? Life is what you make of it, Horatio Alger! Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and quit your crying!"
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Originally Posted by kib
Americans need to read the Constitution and understand what the role and powers of the President actually are.
The angry white middleclass doesn't understand the nuances of your question. They don't know who Horatio Alger is and they can't find bootstraps on their swamper boots. All they know is Jr. And his pregnant girlfriend are shacked up in the spare bedroom because the two part time jobs they work can't cover the costs of rent in an apartment.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
They see the writing on the wall and instead of taking vacations with their retirements savings, they will be staying at home, raising their grandchildren and subsidizing their children's lives for eternity. They don't necessarily see Trump changing things as much as they see him being the delivery system for blowing up the establishment whom they blame for their current status.
They are pissed off and "two Corinthians" doesn't matter to them. Actually, it's really quite funny.
Escapist fiction or social satire usually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
Personally, I'm often grateful for our "obstructionist congress".Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I don't think stupid policies will teach people that stupid policies are bad, it will just make them used to stupid policies and more willing to accept them in the future, I think that's how it really works in the real world. Some kind of status quo bias. It might at best make them cynical and hopeless about the political system (which isn't all that desirable, it desirable to see what's wrong with it. But to be so hopeless you don't even try anymore, not so much). No, I don't really believe in hitting bottom either. And I don't believe what doesn't kill us makes us stronger either (it often makes us weaker, at best it gives us some insight, but strength not so much).Quote:
We'd muddle through for the most part. I have said this before and I will say it again: Americans need to learn that stupidity has negative consequences.
Trump is the man to teach Americans that lesson -- the hard way.
Well, I personally am totally cynical and hopeless. So I am cool with that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
my dad, as well. I told him, "there ya go, stupid is as stupid does." Or Secretary of State after someone explains the job description, she can take her canoe and paddle right over to Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by kib
I can't imagine Trump wanting her for a running mate. In fact, I'd bet he doesn't like her at all and is just using her to get those masses even more riled up. It wouldn't surprise me if he quietly hates her.
You're probably right. It's not as if Trump's promised her anything specific. Or at least not publicly, which is all that matters. Cruz needs to be in the news if he wants to have a chance in Iowa and NH but Trump, with Palin's help, has now hogged at least a couple of days of campaign news coverage all for himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by CathyA
More than once I've had the feeling that Congressional gridlock was the only speed bump slowing us down on the road to ruin.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
You must love Raphael Cruz then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregg
I wonder what our allies are thinking?? That maybe we need more medication?
What a circus. It's embarrassing.
Want a circus? Check out the UK Parliament's "question time" some day...Quote:
Originally Posted by CathyA
After viewing parts of last nights New Hampshire Presidential debates it is obvious none of them get it. Trump is most lost. There are many who are ready to disassociate themselves from Trump as the vehicle by which Washington is destroyed. Republican candidates otherwise falsely believe they might be able to pick his bones for followers. They will either stay home.....or vote for Bernie. But Bernie must get past the Clinton machine. What is she willing to do to be President.........I think pretty much anything.
The GOP tried the hands off approach and Trump only got stronger. Now they seem to be attacking Trump. Trump has solidified his piece of the GOP/Independent pie. The white angry middleclass are going to wreck the GOP one way or another. The Trump/Cruz feud --- Cruz is going to go down in flames because of the two, Cruz claims the moral high ground, the ear of God himself and this unbecomes his Christian values.....or so called. Cruz is maybe getting sidetracked because he feels desperate. I am almost convinced Trump might have this thing sewed up after South Carolina. Very entertaining.
Between Billary and Trump, I am so tempted to vote Trump. Though I will probably just stay home and "sad-LOL" either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
I would vote for Trump just to see the establishment nominee go home. Anger. That is the only constant in this election and it may well be the deciding factor. I'll tell you what, if it comes down to Clinton vs Trump......I will join you at the polls for Trump. And then I will sit back and hope the Republic survives.
Since we are in middle of a fourth turning it's entirely possible that Trump or Bernie will win the election. Since the whole point of a fourth turning is wiping away the dreck and failed/corrupted institutions of society it wouldn't surprise me if neither of our two political parties survives this election in anything resembling their current state and level of power. The elites in both parties are trying hard to remain in control, but don't seem to be doing so well at it.
I am not that optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I think Billary or one of the regular repubs (Rubot, Canadian Cruz, or whoever) will ultimately win and it'll be business as usual.
What's a fourth turning?
If it's not tight after the third turning......then it's time for a fourth turning. It's an Appalachian torque wrench.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
This sounds either made up or awesome or maybe both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
I'm beginning to think Trump is a genius and all his fourth grade gibberish is just an act. He is playing Cruz like a Stardivarius. Dividing the field and conquering it. He is highlighting Cruz's weaknesses. So Rubio pulls down Governor Haley's endorsement and closes the gap or maybe overtakes Cruz. If Cruz comes in third he is toast. Now it's the establishment against Trump. A clear choice and in an angry election year, Trump might win. And if it doesn't look like he gets the nomination then he threatens third party. GOP knows it can't win then so they give in. The key is all he has to do is get rid of Cruz. Should be easy.......nobody likes him anyway.
The fourth turning is a book written back in the 90's that posits that society moves in roughly 80 year cycles of four seasons. The fourth turning is the winter season where all the ineffective institutions get killed off allowing room for a spring rebirth of new institutions. Each generation, once they get old enough to be society's leaders leads with a different style based on what was happening when they were kids. The winter season happens when the people leading society were born after the last fourth turning so they dont understand the peril of being able to push society off a cliff, so to speak. There have been 3 fourth turnings in anerica. The revolution, the civil war and the great depression/WWII. Typically a fourth turning involves major economic destruction and total war.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
So they occur when people with no direct experience or memory of how bad things can get decide to dice with disaster to pursue ill-conceived social theories? Thereby creating a mess for future generations to clean up? Lather, rinse, repeat, forever?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That's bleak enough to have the ring of truth.
Basically, yeah. But not just social theories. Business theories too, like creating quadrillions of dollars of derivatives that are all probably going to fail in a massive cascading domino effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I can see that, too. A sort of generational theory of the superiority of old age and treachery over youth and enthusiasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
My husband works for the hwy dept and 90% of them are for Donald Trump. They are the angry, white (for the most part) middle class.
They long for the days when life was more simple, when Dad worked (not mom) and supplied the family with all they needed.
No ISIS, no terrorists, there were jobs you could stay with for a lifetime and retire. Health care was affordable. They want their guns.
I am wondering how much of the country feels the same way? I see Trump saying what they want to hear and see him leading in the polls.
I do not see him being one for taking advice from his cabinet if he is elected. Scary times.
Don't worry! Canadian Cruz just cruised ahead in national polls. So I am sure everything will be just fine. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenngal
UA......Nikki Haley's endorsement of Rubio is going to put a nail in Jeb's coffin this Saturday and a kink in Canadian Cruz's colon. Rubio just might well be surging after he picks up Jeb Bush's outliers and sucks up those who thought they were Cruz supporters until they saw Haley standing beside Rubio and started fantasizing about what a great ticket that would make especially the contrast of youth versus worn out aged oligarchy of Mrs. It's My Turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
So Im going to go out on a limb here and say that the horse race favors Rubio as he closes the gap ......something the polls are lagging behind on. Cruz has been distracted by Trump while Rubio is flanking him.
Trump is is not going to lose his quarter of the pie........Cruz is bullheaded and stubborn enough to drag it out to the bitter end. He's going to whip that horse raw on the way to the finish line. Rubio is polished and "electable". Cruz argues with everybody......well he's an attorney ain't he? The voters are now seeing why nobody in politics endorsed Cruz. And what his former college roommate says about him, "he's an asshole."
So I am cautiously optimistic that Saturday Cruz will get a torpedo to the engine room. What kind of VP do you think he would opt for. Scary! Haley kind of reminds me of A Margaret Thatcher archetype. Rubios stock is up.
I would rather have Trump........Cruz is a scary guy. I can see him moving us back to the dark ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler