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People are able to be friends with others with disabilities.
If this NYT article is correct, the administration believes that people like me simply do not exist. Or perhaps that we need to be placed into some binary bins.
Alan if younger people are truly committed it’s different. We would see parents keeping kids home that could work in some capacity and once they died being st the mercy of the state wasn’t pretty. However,if they were working or in a workshop plus in a group home than life was good. If you have family committed until he dies then that will work. Very unusual
Bae, pretty disgusting isn’t it?
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People are able to be friends with others with disabilities.
He has lots of friends, some with disabilities and many without. He is involved in two groups, one sponsored by a local church and another one secular, where he socializes with others with disabilities and due to the excellent work with his very dedicated and long term teacher he is able to connect with everyone he meets. As an example, last year there was some concern he may not be able to graduate high school with the rest of his class so the teacher in charge of the special needs programs arranged a private graduation ceremony for him, his family and friends. There were over 300 people in attendance! We all cried during the entire event, myself included.
That’s awesome!
It's not just additional years of schooling, but more costly special needs education with a lower student:teacher ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
And when he hits 26 and can no longer be on your medical insurance, how will that be covered?
government interference is a poor substitute for a loving family, but it is sometimes needed. And if there was no government interference what would all the abused, neglected and orphaned children do? Sex slaves? Street beggars? There are close to 500,000 kids in foster care any given day in the US so obviously there is a needQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan
if several people have commented on you coming across as not having empathy perhaps you should pay attention. because I think we all believe that a loving family is the best for any child, sometimes it just is not possible to not have some government help. no matter how loving, hard working, and personally responsible you are.
I don’t think I could live in a world where someone reaches rock bottom (especially through no fault of their own) and there was no one to give them a hand up.
I don't see anywhere that Alan was advocating child abandonment. But that may be due to my own lack of empathy.
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/ima...AAAAAAAAKP/9k=
I remember once in the Spring of 2007 I was reading a copy of the Arizona Republic (the Phoenix newspaper) and there was an article in it regarding gay marriage being legal in Mexico City as of a few weeks before the article was written and there was a photo of two men, Mexican nationals, getting married. Imagine how it felt realizing that Mexico - yes Mexico, (At least Mexico City anyway, as this did not go nationwide and has not as of yet though there is hope for this under Lopez Obrador) - was light years ahead of many American municipalities......things have gotten better since 2007, I do have to admit that. Rob
PS Came back to add - To give America some credit for once, I am very grateful that after a long, long, long struggle that gay/lesbian marriage is legal in the United States, and I'm perhaps even more grateful that gays and lesbians can serve openly in the military. I also very firmly believe that having tasted legally recognized Basic Human Rights, should the Trump Administration try to take away this Civil Rights Progress......not only blizzards of lawsuits like never seen before but some souls starting over in other countries that maintain these rights....perhaps through regular immigration, potentially political asylum should things get really really threateningly nasty. We'll see though I am glad that Trump has publicly declared the marriage issue to be settled law. Rob
Came back yet again to add - I'm not proud that gay/lesbian marriage took longer to become legal in Austria than it did in the United States, either. One country I have a great deal of respect for in this area - Uruguay. Went against the church and made same sex marriage legal before some wealthier, more liberal countries did. Uruguay gets my two thumbs up and has for a number of years. Rob
I think it just means that I should probably take a short break from these "Oh woe is me, I'm being victimized again" threads. Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Mexico City, IIRC, is home to some eight million Mexicans, so that's no small accomplishment.
I just came across a review of this book: The Autobiography of a Transgender Scientist, by Ben Barres, MIT Press (2018)
It might make for interesting reading; he looks like an admirable example of someone who dealt with gender identity issues.
I had two thoughts when I read that NYT article.
1. What about intersexed babies? I believe current research suggests letting these children grow up and decide for themselves if they wish to identify as male, female, or both. Which this law would not allow. In fact, this law doesn't seem to take certain scientific facts into consideration.
2. The continuing, on-going utter and blatant hypocrisy of those in government who claim to want fewer regulations, fewer laws, more choice/freedom for individuals, but who also dream up things like this, a law that will limit and constrict many people. It seems that less regulation is out the door when more regulation can do harm to people--more restrictive immigration and abortion laws, for example, as well as this proposal.
I want to know, what difference does it make? If someone born with male genitalia identifies more as a woman and chooses to live their life as a woman, how does this affect anyone else? It's their own business. it does not affect my life in the slightest. And if it makes their life better, surely that is a good thing?
I'm far more worried about other things, like all the untrained gun owners out there, than the off-chance I might have to share a public restroom with a transgender person.
Said by the most empathetic person ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Ypejji, Alan’s grandson will qualify for SSI and Medicaid due to his severe disability. The reason for the extra years of school is because the pace of learning is slower. It is money well spent.
Special needs programs can be very expensive. Some towns encourage families with special needs children to move elsewhere because it is a budget buster for them. Maybe these are costs that should be Federalized so they can be spread over a larger population.
States get federal money for education.
Growing the Federal govnment is not a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
We send $1 to Washington and it comes back to us in what amount? $.65? $. 72? .$.54? Something like that.
yea, special education programs are expensive. In my region, eveyone with a special needs kid moves to South
county because the school district there has well developed Sp Ed programs. Our own city public school,system, despite very high per pupil funding, cannot produce these programs.
My island had its first Pride event this weekend.
It was organized on short notice, by some young folks in the community, who weren't familiar with the normal protocols and methods followed to secure the Village Green, advertise events, and schedule around the busy summer/tourist event chaos. With some additional support, they managed to pull it off.
Saturday is the day of our Farmer's Market on the Green, and was also the Solstice Parade, which marks really the transition point between locals-dominated events, and touristy events. After the Solstice Parade, our locals-events are weird, as you feel like an animal in the zoo as twice as many tourists stand around watching our quaint ways as there are islanders participating. The Pride event was scheduled for the next day, Sunday.
Only two weeks before the event, in additional to social media outreach, physical posters went up in town. On billboards, and posted in the windows of many shops in the village.
So, this is the most "progressive" county in the state, and it is a pretty progressive state.
Nonetheless, posters were torn down (*), and some merchants had angry people in their stores yelling at them for daring to put up the notices in the windows. Several notices of trespass were served, the Sheriff had to remove several people, and law enforcement is now investigating some hate crimes that occurred.
The event itself went off very nicely, the weather was good, several great bands showed up to play at the bandstand during the day, local community service groups set up booths to raise awareness of available services and resources, there were also educational booths for various LGBTQIA+ issues, and there were some nice speeches. Only one person acted out during the event, and the Sheriff and Fire Department quickly resolved the situation.
It was an explicitly non-commercial event, so there were no vendors there, as seems to be the case these days in more mainstream Pride events. The coop grocery store across the street kindly had an array of inexpensive food/drink items ready if people were motivated to walk 100 feet.
It was a great shame to see the pre-event hate, but the event itself was very welcoming to all.
(*) Also, someone replaced many of the event posters with this:
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Ha! Predictable level of literacy and aesthetics. (Is that supposed to be a pentagram or something?)Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I thought perhaps it was the anarchist symbol. This particular poster design might be the result of a false-flag operation, as it is so over-the-top silly - we never caught a good video image of this troublemaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Yes--looks like the anarchist symbol. I thought the "horns" were upside-down. False flag makes some sense.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/busin...rnd/index.html
"Florida's Tax Credit Scholarship lets companies make tax-deductible contributions that funds vouchers to private schools for low-income students. The program sparked backlash following an Orlando Sentinel investigation that found 83 of 1,000 private religious schools, which accepted the vouchers, had anti-LGBTQ policies, including banning students from attending the schools or expel them for their sexual orientation."
Apparently, the next hot issue is puberty blockers for trans kids:
https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/...berty-blockers
It would be nice if doctors, parents, and the children involved were allowed to make such decisions without government getting involved.
I will admit it worries me that hormones and anti-hormones are given to children based on their conviction of the moment. But medically, I do not know what is reversible and what isnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I regularly see in dogs effects of early neutering (lack of appropriate hormones) that negatively affects their bone development, so I cannot believe these treatments are all benign.
But in the end I prefer the government stay out of a medical treatment where patient, parent, and physician are involved. Some kids get better parenting than others. That’s the breaks, who kids draw for a parent is a crapshoot.
I see this as a societal swing far away from treatment of gender-ambiguous kids decades ago, where doctors decided a gender for the patient based on physical characteristics. I realize it is a different situation, but over all, societally similar. I will bet there’s lots of adults who wish the government had stepped in to keep doctors from making permanent changes to their tiny bodies.
And if mommy lets her 11-year-old decide he’s a girl today well OK and if that action permanently changes his body, I am not sure that is ok. Medically treating these kids seems like a complex issue and I’m glad i dont have to make any decisions in that arena.
It's a difficult and complicated issue, that's for sure.
I think it’s a bad idea to give kids hormones, etc. Let them grow up and decide as adults. I didn’t neuter max until he was 11 months and hadn’t grown for 3 months. A dog I spayed at 6 months had a unusual growth spurt at 2 and back pain for life.
I have a trans-niece. I do hope they do hormone blockers soon. The male hormone onset of large bone structure etc cannot be reversed. If she were to decide in a year, that she really wants to be male, stop the blockers and the body proceeds with testosterone driven biology. I worked with a trans woman last year. Her challenge at work was exactly that large male bone structure that made her "stand out".Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Blockers are desirable initially for pre-hormone teens rather than going straight to estrogen/testosterone treatment and seldom will a provider prescribe the hormones immediately as this decision can be temporary.
A 2008 study found 61% desisted from their transgender identity before reaching the age of 29,[17] and a 2013 study found 63% desisted before age 20.[18] A 2019 clinical assessment found that 9.4% of patients with adolescent-emerging gender dysphoria ceased wishing to pursue medical interventions and/or no longer felt that their gender identity was incongruent with their biological sex within an eighteen-month period.[19]
It is a challenging time for the immediate family. I'm grateful my niece is alive. Prior to this decision he had been a severe cutter having hidden it for 18 months until a friend turned him to the Nurse at school. My nephew took him to counseling where she remains a regular client and for that I continue to be grateful.
I know there's a window for hormone-blocking; which is why legislation like this is so cruel.
It really is a difficult issue. I wonder how much ongoing research is being done to pinpoint the cause of this phenomenon.
Thanks for this explanation. So, if I understand then, hormone blockers are thought to be relatively benign since they stop sexual development temporarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
Also if I understand correctly, a super high percentage, 60+%, backtrack from wanting to change genders.
This is the way I understand the current line of thought by Trans experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I suspect it will be 20-40 years before we know if hormone blockers cause damage or "simply" the delay as current thinking goes. Blocking is considered more relevant to prevent testosterone as those developments cannot be reversed. Female development is considerably less obvious other than breasts and the current thought is "simple mastectomy" if the trans male wants a flat chest. Many simply use binders rather than surgery and seem to be very comfortable with that choice.
The visual is what causes so much of the struggle in society. Bruce Jenner was always rather feminine. As a woman though, his male stature is distracting and overtly obvious. This is what today's young trans females are trying to figure out.
My niece is not concerned. She is simply blissful to be living female. She is not overt or verbal. In her eyes it's a simple difference and mostly internal for her. She dresses very generically-continuing with jeans and t shirts as always. No desire/need for pink, sparkly, dresses, heels...nothing girly for her.
We're in a large redneck family and we have a reunion this summer. It's going to be interesting to say the least. DH and I have sought counseling to better support her and assist family transition. We'll see how it goes!
Thanks for explaining Gard. I am glad you are supporting her.
So, on the 4th anniversary of the Pulse nightclub shootings, Trump has eliminated anti-discrimination provisions for LGBTQ folks in healthcare and health insurance. Well played, Trump, well played...
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...ealthcare.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...administration
Bae, just when you think the orange moron can’t go lower he does.
He's reversed protection for bears in Alaska. I can't read the details.
He's truly a despicable individual.
Yeah--he likes the symbolism in committing outrageous acts on relevant dates--like scheduling one of his Hitleresque rallies on Juneteenth in a city known for its historical massacre of blacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Just received my mail-in ballot. I'll do my share to get him - and others - gone.
Nonething Trump does could surprise me any more. Nothing. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
You’re voting in the presidential election in June?Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
Who is the Democratic candidate? Is it old Joe, or did they pull someone better out of their hat at the last minute?
I ask because you seem to be in a time warp of the future.