There is a youtube video series you can find under "Medcram". He gives short updates with very clear explanations of the current state of information and statistics. He provides his sources. I think he is up to #10 updates.
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There is a youtube video series you can find under "Medcram". He gives short updates with very clear explanations of the current state of information and statistics. He provides his sources. I think he is up to #10 updates.
Thanks Happy. My doctor said my lungs were clear which is good with my asthma. She gave me something to suppress my coughing. Then after I filled it I coughed something up instead of being a dry cough. She said as long as it’s clear or cream color I could still take it. It has cut down on the coughing but today I coughed up yellow so I have to stop taking it. Ugh!
We had additional training and protocols set out today.
A prudent person would be prepared to shelter in-place for 21 days.
This is the same advice I would give you, minimum, for winter storms or earthquakes....
https://apple.news/Auot6cG0MQtCzvYFmcGubSA
This is starting to sound like a multi year worldwide difficult to manage pandemic situation. We have plans to see our son in Carson City in April and I think we might just drive from Phoenix instead of flying. It’s a 12 Hour drive but we have plenty of time because I took 10 days off work. I’m just not feeling comfortable lately with large crowds in enclosed spaces.
The recent WHO update said there is still hope of it being contained, but that window is closing quickly. My level of concern is quite a bit more than a week ago before South Korea, Italy and Iran cases. Personally I wouldn't be especially concerned about a flight from Phoenix to Carson City right now, but airports on the crowded coastal areas with more foreign travelers might be a different case. That could change by April.
And we were planning on PHX to Toronto in June to see our daughter. We’ll see how things look in May ...
Trump assures us the threat will be over by April, so we can all go back to worrying about windmill cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
As for my travel plans.....Bangkok is now off the table. I am not comfortable flying to Asia as I'd fly EVA and Taiwan now has cases as does Thailand, as do most other Asian nations.
So - I was thinking of a return to Morocco - but that would be this summer and who knows how this virus will play out the next few months? I am especially creeped out by the new cases in Italy - a first world country with decent health care - and Iran - not so first world but isolated to some degree from China and the majority of cases. Or should I past tense that and say was isolated. Creepy.
I have a feeling that international travel may - at least for awhile until we know more about the virus/have a vaccine - become a thing of the past or at least a thing put on hold for quite some time.
For myself, I am continuing with echinacea, goldenseal, and oil of oregano, with the addition of astragulus tincture - all meant to help boost my immunity. Rob
PS About the return to Morocco? The sanest way I've found to fly directly to Rabat with the main stretch of the trip being in Premium Economy is on Air France - France also has cases of the virus and I've heard CDG can be extremely stressful to transit through. So we'll see.....
I see you're not immune to first world problems. Doesn't China know our right to international vacations is being severely impacted by their viruses?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I intended no slam nor sarcasm towards China, Alan. For all we know the next virus may originate in the US. I see no reason for the shade towards China due to the virus originating there......but I'm not thrilled with the lack of transparency/cover up attempts, either. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I selfishly am worried about my August Europe trip. Our airfare is nonrefundable
Teacher Terry, we are going to Italy in October. I am resigned that if the new disease causes me to not go, we all be more concerned with things other than money and travel. We figure airfares are nonrefundable but can be changed.
I am watching the videos of two doctors who are very calm and provide their sources. They are becoming more concerned with the data coming from various countries. Iran especially. If it heads to Africa, it is a dangerous situation due to lack of medical infrastructure. Even with care, no one has the infection control space needed for infected patients in serious condition.
I am staying calm but every now and then a "what if" pops in and I have to tamp it down.
Sweet, I am sure you are correct. I can’t remember if I mentioned it in this thread or not but a Chinese reporter who has since disappeared reported that the death rate is 10x’s the reported number. He said that they are running 50 crematoriums 24/7 and the amount of sulfur dioxide in the air supports his claim. Our airfare was a one time special deal so I think we lose it but haven’t checked because it’s so far away and really want to go with my kids.
This is the dirty secret about these sorts of diseases. A handful of Ebola patients would completely absorb my relatively-well-prepared state's resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetana3
My heart is heavy. Coronavirus has arrived in the homeland - Austria has it's first two cases, with both patients being treated in Innsbruk. I pray for the best for Austria in regards to this virus. Rob
I texted my son in Vietnam but he said that they had 16 cases and all recovered.
A friend just emailed re the coronavirus/covid19. The following should be considered hearsay.
According to employees of an American company in China, they are in self-quarantine and shops and restaurants are closed. They are running out of food. In one city, there are armed guards who will shoot at you if you come out on the streets. (That's a rumor I hear some time ago.)
They are running out of baby formula. Some of the calls they've had with co-workers indicate that usually very calm, rational people are terrified. And said company just got a warning to get their employees out of Italy.
All of that has been in the overseas news. Best thing to overcome irrational fear is to get some medical understanding of what is going on. So far, as the people who caught the disease are recovering, the death rate decreases statistically. It is highest among the elderly and sick (although middle age can die too). Just like influenza. Highly contagious.
I am most interested in whether it can infect the same person over and over or if our antibodies will help protect. Very much a guessing game.
https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch...mp-79434821967
no worries. Rush Limbaugh has said it is all a hoax to bring down Donald Trump. Just a cold. No reason to trust the CDC or WHO. China is even in on the act, destroying their economy all in the effort to bring Trump down. He knows more than the Doctors, scientists etc. apparently. Carry on.
Sometimes Rush gets things wrong. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
I was listening to Rush just this week and he was theorizing that the Central Democratic Party knows they’re going to lose in the Presidential election which is why they are not backing their best candidates. They just want to get through the years following the 2020 election to put forth their golden boy or golden girl in 2024.. That would explain why daddy Joe Biden is promoted by the old polls in the party.
I found that theory interesting.
Rush’s 2 racist brain cells quit connecting decades ago:)). Cities in Italy and Hungary are quarantining tourists upon arrival for 2 weeks. I know someone going for a year trip and they are going to be affected by this. China’s death rate is 10x’s what they reported and I doubt Vietnam is telling the truth.
There is a wealth of disinformation spreading around. So far I've found the Aljazeera news and updates to stick to the facts without any hype. The most concerning areas in my view are the middle eastern countries as possible viral hotbeds.
Donald is holding press conference this evening. That should be interesting.
Do you have a source for this? Your number is at odds with the daily updates my infectious disease control team gets from the CDC, so I'd love to be prepared with more science!Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
(Your number, by the way, would imply that pretty much anyone over the age of 80 who gets it would be 148% likely to die, using the Chinese CDC numbers... http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article...b-fea8db1a8f51)
I wonder how much longer it will be before the image of disease-bearing dirty foreigners is used to justify An Even More Perfect Wall?
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Bae, a Chinese reporter who has since disappeared reported that China has 50 crematoriums working 24/7. The amount of sulfur dioxide in the air supports this is true. I am sure you can google it as I didn’t keep the link. They looked at the air quality previously and recently using the information from the air monitors that are used.
Probably he's joined the original whistle-blower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Well, that certainly sounds more credible than my CDC briefings...
Those 50 crematoriums must be massive because 50 doesn't seem like a lot (for their population) and they generally do run 24/7.
Our County folks just published a fairly sane article on What You Can Do.
https://orcasissues.com/a-common-sen...lth-officials/
I do know here we are spending a lot of time preparing for the worst-case outsome, not because we expect that to happen, but because we want to be ready if it does. It's easier to prepare ahead of time than it is to react once things are running off the rails.
excellent list of things to get. The masks at month six mightQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
be hard to find. Our local stores have zero on the shelves. Food wise, sensible and will keep you from starving or going out if you get hit really hard in your area.
That’s a great link Bae. Common sense approach.
Here is a really dumb question that occurred to me yesterday. I get the idea of quarantine and self quarantine, and they would perhaps close the schools, as they have in China, I guess. In China they are talking about two months with the schools closed.
So how does that work with respect to the disease process? During this quarantine period, does the disease just dry up and go away, or are you just slowing down how many people get it, and is it still there waiting for when everyone comes out quarantine?
I know it's a dumb question, but I wonder what the reasoning is-- so they shut down travel to China, for example, and then when do they restart travel to china--is it numbers of new cases, and why how does the time factor impact the disease itself?
My kids jobs with the casinos are tourist dependent so they are not sure if they want to renew their lease on their 2 bedroom apartment in June or move to a smaller one. Rob, I know that your job is also tourist dependent. I also read that the last thing you want to do is get a flu shot because it might make matters worse if you get the virus. I didn’t keep the link and there was a medical term for it so might be something to research ahead of time.
My simple inexpert explanation. Generally, virus cannot survive long outside a living organism. In a given population, like the lock down people in China, there will be people who aren't exposed to the virus, people who have a natural immunity and are resistant to becoming a host for the virus, people who get sick (or possibly with an asymptomatic infection) and their immune system eliminates the virus, or those that die and can no longer be a host for the virus. So eventually there is not enough viral RNA left among the human population to infect people. I can be corrected on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
By the way, I'm sure there are corners of the population who still think adversely of the flu shot, but the CDC is doubling down on their recommendations for people to get the shot to avoid unnecessary testing for Coronavirus should they get the flu, and also to reduce the load on a possibly already overloaded medical system if Coronavirus infected people also need medical attention.
this is NOT the advice that is generally being given, the advice is to GET a flu shot (ok if you are already sick with something (cold, flu, corona virus, whatever) maybe it's not a good idea to get a flu shot WHEN you are sick). But for healthy people the advice is get a flu shot so you have less likelihood to have the flu and think you have corona.Quote:
I also read that the last thing you want to do is get a flu shot because it might make matters worse if you get the virus. I didn’t keep the link and there was a medical term for it so might be something to research ahead of time.
That is not the guidance we are receiving from the CDC and from our state health organizations. I'm sticking with their science-based approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Terry, everything I am seeing says get a flu shot if you have not already.
Is anyone changing their day-to-day habits because of the corona? Things are very much business as usual here, even though we get a fair amount of tourists and travelers. So far everyone seems pretty chill, including us. It doesn't feel real yet. The only place I'm feeling it is in the stock market.
But dh and I did get our flu shots in the fall. Dh is actually working on a compound they have to see if it will work on the coronavirus. He's in non-profit medical research.
i'm using those hand wipes at store entrances more often and doubling up on reminding myself to wash hands more often after being out. Also, I've been gradually picked up extra groceries for the pantry, sort of like Bae's reference recommended. I've not felt much urgency for that, but everything will get eaten regardless of any outcomes.
I'm working on training myself not to shake hands, and trying to get in the habit of other social distancing practices. (For instance, I'm going to the grocery store here now when I know it's basically empty.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Geila
We get ~1 million tourists a year here in our community of ~5000 people, so I should probably be better at all this.