Seriously? Just a mask in a COVID room on a COVID unit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
I give up. Ya'll do not want to learn ACTUAL infection prevention and safety. You prefer your fantasies........
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Seriously? Just a mask in a COVID room on a COVID unit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
I give up. Ya'll do not want to learn ACTUAL infection prevention and safety. You prefer your fantasies........
Never dreamed I would give up educating but Bae, the refusal here is ridiculous>:(Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Carry on ya'll. But whatever you do , please be sure and the people in your contact tracer under no circumstances go get healthcare. Those people deserve better. I wonder how many more RNs and Docs and RTs I know will die because ya just don't get it>:(
Gardner, I never said this. What I said is that we can't go to visit my parents, and if they die, we can't get into see them, even if they don't have Covid. We can't see them now, and none of us has covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
I am talking about ways that families can be with dying family members. I was not talking about being in a hospital setting.
Please stop twisting my words. I am addressing end of life issues, which still exist, even at this time. I never said I was going into a covid unit in a crappy mask and endanger people.
...and LDAHL hits it out of the park again!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
That's true. But for the living, being with loved ones when they die is an immeasurable blessing. I was with my mother and my MIL when they died, and I am so glad. It may or may not have helped them, but it definitely helped me. I think the inability of loved ones to be with parents/spouses/etc during these times is huge trauma and tragedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Can't we come up with a solution that ensures the safety of all, yet permits the intimacy at these critical times?
Tybee, hopefully your parents will be fine and you will see them again.
Thank you, Catherine, that is really well stated, something I don't seem to be able to put into words, so thank you for that .Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
Yppej, Your constant harping on how we should just stay home forever is ridiculous. I wish you had that option.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Thanks, Terry, I'm hoping to be able to see my mother again, and dad too--it's just that with her dementia, she does not do well with the phone, can't process what she is hearing and she gets more confused trying to talk on phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Everyone has a need to get out. Being isolated sucks. Old people can’t stay home for years. Tybee it’s hard for people with dementia to talk on the phone.
Me too. If I could stay home and survive financially I would. But I am not independently wealthy nor do I have a retirement income. And some of the people critical of me are fortunate enough to have the option of working from home which I do not, or not working at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Need or want?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
If you oppose the confinement of a burkha, and realize it is traumatic psychologically as well as physically, you should understand some of the objections to a mask.
if people were only asking women to wear masks then the objections would be the same as burka, I mean the objections to a burka, which whatever I'm live and let live about that type of stuff pretty much, it's that it's a symbol of patriarchy right. A mask is now a symbol of patriarchy? Ok ...
Whatever that means?? ...Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I hadn't realized how hard, as she was doing okay with it until this lockdown at the facility. Being locked in their rooms, unable to come out, has done a number on both of them cognitively, including my dad, as he says he has lost track of time now. He can't understand things that are happening, that I'm saying--it;s not just his deafness, as he has the captioned phone. He just can't follow the same way, and she can barely talk on the phone now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
A psychological need Y. Tybee, my friend with Alzheimer’s lost her ability to talk on the phone once she went into a facility. It probably had to do with being separated from her husband. He wanted to go with her as he was dying but with a feeding tube in his stomach no facility in Nevada or California could take him. He also did it himself feeding and cleaning. I can see how they would go downhill without family stimulation.
I disagree. I was with MIL and FIL when they died. I held MIL's hand. Not sure she knew I was there. To be truthful, it did nothing for me but make me remember watching them die. I wish I had never seen that.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
You are truly my clone. I think the same, and I’m not sure that I would want anyone hovering around me if I was in that twilight space between full life and death. I’m not saying that I would not want someone, I’m just saying I don’t know.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
There are all those stories about family members hanging over someone’s deathbed crying and blabbing, and when the family steps out of the room, the sick one dies, finally getting some peace for that journey.
But chances are being on a respirator I wouldn’t be concerned about people around me or might prefer peace and quiet. And as I previously stated on another thread, I assureD DH did not want him to come to a hospital every day to hang out or to feel guilty that he cannot.
I put my cat to sleep a couple weeks ago and my vet did allow Owners to be present at euthanasia even though they are not allowing owners to come in for exams. But I chose not toL because I just didn’t think it was worth the risk to any of us. I knew they would be nice to my kitty and she she likes everyone so that was my justification. She isnt a normal cat. Yes, I was one of those assholes who didn’t stay with her pet while she was euthanized. I’ve never done that ever before. But there’s a first time for everything.
For those who have not read the linked article, it repeatedly states that there are no RCT's (randomized controlled trials) proving masks are effective for coronavirus. It says it "may have" a "partial effect" on viral shedding. A lot of this is namby-pamby. For example:Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
If only sick people wear masks the sick people will feel bad and we can't have their feelings hurt by social stigma.
Wearing a mask is a "signal of solidarity".
Masks give people not claustrophobia and discomfort but "a feeling of empowerment and self-efficacy". Nice try but no cigar.
It’s a gift to help someone die. Even if you think they don’t know you are there the hearing is the last to go and I am sure they feel your touch and know you are there even if it doesn’t look like it.
Obviously, you must be an introvert or you would realize it is impossible to always stay home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
It is also psychologically traumatic to be stuck at home for days on end. Wear a mask and do social distancing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
oh honey, i think the social signaling is strong with the mask wearers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
i wear a mask when i uave to interact with other humans (not DH) closer than 6 feet. So far that has been 2-3 times in 8 weeks.
I don't wear a mask when I'm out hiking or biking here in the rural areas, where I won't encounter anyone. I do have PPE with me if I do, but this is no change - I've carried a PPE kit with me for years that includes a mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
When I'm in the village, I don't wear a mask if I'm not interacting with anyone. If I am going to be going into a store, or walking on the sidewalk where stupid people are unable to maintain social distance, I put on the mask.
I also use an N95 mask for this, which I wouldn't recommend for the casual user. But my concern is not just protecting others from me, where a simple cloth mask would suffice.
Disagreeable - yes. Impossible - no. Calling for personal growth and development, learning to live with oneself in peace and not needing constant noise and activity to paper over one's anxieties - yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
My MIL knew I was there. Her eyes were starting to decompose (get holes in them) and I told her to shut her eyes, which she did. She heard me. I just wish I hadn't seen that. It did me no good. That is how I remember her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
You have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously need to be away from people. It would do you good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I have been present for many many deaths, and my impression is similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
If you were talking Ebola where your organs liquefy and then you die, I don't think you would be so eager for people to be out and about but wearing protective gear. I think you would tell people they have to stay home even if they get bored or don't like it. The whole reason people think it is okay to go and about with just a mask now is that Covid is not that bad if you are not in a high risk group, one of the points I have been making all along. If you think it's bad for you stay home instead of trying to control everyone else who isn't high risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
So, for years now I've been on the region's infectious disease team, which was formed specifically to deal with the Ebola threat. Mostly in the role of hot-zone safety officer. And I've during the Covid event been working with the local emergency management agencies formulating the response, and making sure our hot-zone protocols were appropriate for covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Frankly, I'm a bit more concerned in general about Covid than Ebola, once I weigh all the factors.
Then again, my opinion is informed by actual experience, training, expertise, and science.
When I remember people that I have seen die I think about the healthy, happy times. I would prefer not to die alone but wouldn’t want to risk my family or health care workers health. It’s a tough time for most people. I wish Y had been home for 2 months to see how fun it isn’t.
I really cannot picture not going out at all. I go out every day. I go out often two and three times a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
For one thing I go out in my yard and work. For second thing I go out for a mile walk every day. For third I go to the community garden a block away and work. And then, every 3-4 days (only ‘cause the weather is cold and rainy too often) I take a spin in my red convertible.
then, I drive to Hermann periodically and repeat some of the above activity.
i get a fair amount of scenic change, important for me. I get little human interaction, but we have distanced conversations with neighbors almost daily.
Are you truly staying in the house day after day?
I'm an introvert. I *can* survive for days at a time without going out.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
However, over the past few years I had cultivated the habit of bicycling down to the village once a day, and spending at least a couple of minutes talking face-to-face with an actual human being, with my goal being to learn one new thing about them. I find in the New Era I really miss this simple practice.
I still go out to walk the dog, hike, and bicycle, but it's not really the same.
I walk the dogs a mile and sit in the backyard. I have been in 3 stores in 8 weeks. All were super quick. We did eat out Saturday at one of the few restaurants that reopened. I miss having parties, traveling, festivals, movies and eating out once or twice a week. It royally sucks. Also in the past we would interact with people when we go out instead of avoiding them.
That is not something I would have done, but I do not condemn you. I think everyone should be free to use their best judgment in this crisis. What I am doing is avoiding close proximity to elderly people including my own family members although it is difficult. To me distancing is key, masks not so much, I think they are feel good measures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
This is what I meant by staying home - not locked in your house, but strong distancing.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I have masks that I wear if there may be a chance that I'll interact with people; I wear them very seldom, but I'm convinced that they're another layer of protection, with hand-washing, social distancing, more handwashing, disinfectant, etc.
I'm an introvert who can happily go days (weeks? months?) without in-person contact. If I want to feel the wind in my face, I can go stand in my yard.
In at least two of my loved ones' deaths, they were greeted by others who had predeceased them, come from the afterlife to escort them forward. Those of us who were left behind did the figurative hand-off. I wouldn't want people standing around wringing their hands over my deathbed either, but there's not much likelihood of that.
A simple cloth mask is in essence creating "virtual distance". The point isn't that it is a Level A Hazmat suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
A simple cloth mask adds several feet to the effective distance between you and another. Which is huge if you do the math, given the cubic nature of 3 dimensional space. (There are some other useful considerations involving air exchange rates in enclosed spaces).
Wearing a mask in circumstances where you can't maintain 6+ feet of distance is A Good Thing generally.
Almost everyone pays for access to the Internet now, whether it's through their cable or telephone company, their mobile carrier, etc. There have been repeated attempts to offer Internet access "for free" if a customer listens to ads or participates in surveys or otherwise provides data about themselves which can be marketed to others for $$, but my experience is that almost all of them die eventually. Only Google has made serious money with this model. Some folks are fine with that approach; others are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by razz
Ads can cover the costs of some services. Some sites (like SLF) don't run ads; Alan occasionally lets us know how much it costs to keep the party going here and people contribute. I participate in a car-owner's forum in which a national tire chain does some low-key advertising and covers the costs of running that site. Many on-line news services have found that ads don't cover all of their costs, so they either limit the number of articles readers can see or require signing in and providing marketing data, removing ad-blocking software, or actually subscribing with money. Other sites are in-between.
Three different things being discussed here:Quote:
Originally Posted by razz
- physical media (memory sticks, external hard drives, etc.): to oversimplify a little, these are used to make copies of the files you use on your primary device (computer, phone, etc.). They can expand storage to some degree, but also to can let you put copies of your data someplace safer than the original location of the data (for example, your house, which could be broken into or flood or start on fire). It's not wise to make a copy of your data and put it right next to the original. Physical media also can wear out or fail and, over the years, the hardware and file format needed to read these files may no longer be available.
- cloud storage for backup: there are services which let you back up parts of your computer/phone data to their service. You pay for this service. Most Internet access providers have very slow upload speeds, so getting your data up there and keeping it updated can chew up a lot of time. Services vary, too, on the quality of service they provide when you need your data back.
- cloud storage to synchronize files: some services allow you to maintain the same set of information across various devices. When I delete an appointment on my iPhone, iCloud synchronizes that entry on my Mac's calendar app and removes it there, too. Ditto for contacts, notes, etc. Apple also will let you store pictures and music in your cloud so you don't have to have full copies of those images and tunes taking up space on your device. That can save money on buying the device, but typically you'll pay for more than just a little of this service, too, and then you're at the mercy of having Internet access wherever you want to look at that picture or listen to that music.
There are some overlapping areas among all three of these and each has pluses and minuses. You have to decide which features are most compelling to you -- or which downside you want to avoid most. But -- again, oversimplifying a little -- they are different things for essentially different purposes.