Beats me, you only asked for an example of problematic text. Here is a better pic:Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQgoNDgX...jpg&name=large
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Beats me, you only asked for an example of problematic text. Here is a better pic:Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQgoNDgX...jpg&name=large
Again, what is the source of this text you have posted, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
As I said, I have no idea. The pics I shared came from the Florida Press Secretary's Twitter account as an example of co-mingling CRT with actual academics in a school somewhere in Missouri. I only shared it as a response to bae's request, perhaps you could Google it for more info.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
Okay. Thanks. With Twitter as the stated source, that explains enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
There was also an accompanying letter from the school Superintendent if that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQgoNEnW...jpg&name=large
Superintendent from what school(s)?
And, actually, it sounds like it has been removed. Kudos to it being recognized, addressed and removed!
The bad stuff is out there, no doubt about it. But I think it is great that - when identified - it is being addressed and removed. The apology was a nice touch as well.
Well, according to the text of the correspondence the answer would be the Lincoln County R-111 School District. I Googled that for your convenience and came up with the following site: Lincoln County R-III School District / Homepage (troy.k12.mo.us)Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
Many thanks - :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Again, the best part of all of it is the fact that it was recognized as inappropriate and removed. All good!
So you call a benign piece of information about Maya Angelou like that "critical race theory" and you wonder why everyone thinks the fuss about critical race theory is either crazy or just racist. I mean only in your mind is *that* a problematic text.
I think it just made people wonder why that (and probably other things) was included in basic Algebra instruction, and if it shows up there what other unrelated yet woke material is showing up in their children's curriculum. I'm not sure where you get the "insane" or "racist" labels as there doesn't seem to be any example of either in what I've seen. Perhaps you could elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Ok, I don't look at the full image and just saw the blurb at the top about Maya Angelou and was wondering what was controversial about it. So it was something from a website, well most of this stuff would be taught from textbooks, wouldn't it. They don't fund schools well enough to even buy textbooks? Lol, I'd believe it. And also I have no idea if any of these documents are legit. It's not a deep fake because a picture of a page on twitter isn't even a *deep* fake.
I’m still looking for an example from an actual textbook under consideration for adoption.
So should I assume your "insane racist" response is just a knee jerk reaction?Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
that's fair enough for a response to this post. I reacted without reading the full post.Quote:
So should I assume your "insane racist" response is just a knee jerk reaction?
I still have no particular reason to believe that happened or did not happen. The evidence seems to be: twitter. I mean look anyone with a printer could make a fake exam and take a picture of it. But if teachers are having to download exams from random online websites, why? Can't afford textbooks? If such a teacher exists I wonder what they would say, like maybe we have no textbooks or something. And the thing is some rando (teacher) did something somewhere is on it's face believable. I'm sure some rando somewhere did everything it's physically possible for a human to do. But that doesn't mean it's anything larger or that new laws are needed to deal with it.
I'm like the superintendent and don't consider this "woke" material, but inappropriate material. What you posted was inappropriate material, was determined to be just that by the superintendent and was address.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Maybe I have a different take and/or understanding of "woke", but the material you posted - in my and the superintendent of schools opinion - was inappropriate. Woke or not - it was inappropriate and handled as such.
As I stated before, bad stuff is out there no doubt about it. But I think it is great that - when identified - it is being addressed and removed.
I mean, with presumably dozens of physical textbooks being rejected, there are some good examples available from specific published titles?Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
This algebra worksheet with social science information about Maya Angelou is BOTH woke education and inappropriate. If you think there are not things like this circulating all over the education world, you are naïve. It’s just the sort of thing young enthusiastic teachers want to invent or use to “speak “to their students in their real world language.
https://clarkcreativeeducation.com/2...math-projects/
The author of the work sheet hilariously defends it saying he wanted to “destigmatize sexual trafficking… And deromanticize words like “pimp. “ He did remove the work sheet 8 years ago though because he thought others could not use it effectively without the context he had in his teaching environment. Now he laments the fact that everything is so “political” which does not make a receptive environment for his thought piece on algebra and The pimps ‘n whores world of young Maya Angelou.
He made 300 of these things. Gosh I wonder what else he included to de romanticize and destigmatize life concepts?
Things like this are the reason why I am sympathetic to people who pull their kids out of public school and look for a better alternative. I didn’t used to be, but with this kind of crap I can see their reasoning.
... is a worksheet, not a textbook and presumably not part of the approved curriculum.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Where are these problematic textbooks that Florida is so concerned about?
I don’t know bae, you’re the one scanning news saying that 41% of textbooks are reported as being removed. Why don’t you do a deep dive and come back with some information.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
There doesn't seem to be any out there. Just the bold claims from the Florida folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
On edit: I just came across this spoof from McSweeney's:
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/...-objectionable
oh I see, you are trying to prove a negative. Which is impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Not what I am doing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I'm simply asking for a pointer to an actual textbook for K-12 math instruction that contains the problematic CRT. There must be one, right? This isn't just some "I have a list" political stunt, surely? None of the news stories or press releases contain any real specifics, there's some noise about that worksheet, and that's about it.
It appears they provided a list for anyone interested: KM_C454e-20220418122343 (fldoe.org)Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Ah ha! Thanks Alan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
By "special topics" in the chart, I'm guessing they mean CRT and other such things? Pity they didn't give a breakdown.
Ah ha again, here's their criteria:
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse...ionsRubric.pdf
Ha, it seems that I found the list in under a minute, which you then reviewed and found the underlying criteria in under five, maybe it's not that difficult or such a mystery after all.
Now to find the problematic text within one of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I’m just surprised that if you sincerely look for it you couldn’t find one since it now seems to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Well, I did spend some time looking, but my Google-fu was clearly not up to snuff, compared to Alan's. Happens somesdays.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Perhaps you are implying that I lied to you about looking?
In any event, I'm still curious about examples of the text within the book that is causing these issues.
The criteria you referenced seemed like a pretty exhaustive list of requirements in order to be approved as part of an official curriculum. I'm sure other states do the same so I'm saving my curiosity for why Florida was singled out for disapproval.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Maybe it has something to do with Florida's press conference on the subject where they announced they had eliminated many mathematics textbooks because they contained "critical race theory" and other such things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Now, how many other states ban "Social Emotional Learning", "Social Justice", "Culturally Responsive Teaching", and "Critical Race Theory"?
The "Special Topics" Florida lists are:
1. Critical Race Theory: Do materials align to Rule 6A-1.094124, F.A.C., which prohibits Critical
Race Theory (CRT), in instructional materials?
2. Culturally Responsive Teaching: Do instructional materials omit Culturally Responsive
Teaching as it relates to CRT?
3. Social Justice: Do instructional materials omit Social Justice as it relates to CRT?
4. Social Emotional Learning: Do instructional materials NOT solicit Social Emotional
Learning (SEL), as these are considered extraneous and unsolicited strategies outside the
scope of subject-area standards?
I took those to mean that textbooks should remain on topic across all disciplines and ensure that the dominant liberal meme that "CRT is not taught outside of law schools" remains technically correct. Although it does make me question why only math textbooks were flagged.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
That's what caught my eye, as I'm having trouble imagining integrating those materials into a math textbook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
And then the claim in their press conference that they had identified math books with CRT in them.
Now that's a clever and amusing spoof!Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I recall a year or so ago there was talk among some in the educational community that math was racist and some states were suggesting that math instruction be refocused to an equity based method of instruction. Is mathematics racist? California could blaze pathway with woke math - Washington Times Perhaps some textbook publishers incorporated those ideas into their offerings.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
All of this makes me actually happy I am the age I am right now and retired. My Dad is turning over in his grave. Instead of everyone working to make early education and access to it easier and more effective, they are spending time and money dumbing down content. It hurts everyone except those who can afford the money and time to get their kids advanced education and thereby makes it even more elite. But it does make the media happy and takes the pressure off finances by focusing it on the content of a few textbooks.
Big Sigh.
Well, maybe I can shed some light- or maybe just muddy the waters some.
It seems to me that Florida is going way above and beyond, in attempting to draw attention to the textbooks, probably in their attempt to recruit others to their stand against “Critical Race Theory” and “Social Emotional Learning” in grades K-12.
Florida, Texas, and California are the Only 3 states that have historically done statewide textbook adoptions. And historically, the major publishers have printed a California edition, a Florida edition, both labeled as such right on the cover of the book- and a “General” edition (no additional label) for the rest of the country. In the states that don’t do statewide adoptions, i.e. textbooks evaluated at the state level and authorized for use (and purchase with state funds) in all public schools in the state, individual schools and school districts are free to choose whatever they desire, presumably with some public evaluation and input, i.e. public schools.
I can write, with almost 100% confidence, that the kinds of things Florida is finding objectionable in their K-5, but most particularly K-1, is references to families that are not “a white Mom and Dad, married before children, living in a home where Dad works outside the home, and Mom does not.” Any reference to same sex couples as parents would be taboo, as would single parents. And, heaven forbid, the mom is an attorney, and dad stays home with the kids! Only the “ideal” can be portrayed in any way in the textbooks.
An example of an objectionable item in a text might be: Juan’s mom is an attorney and works from 7am-5pm. His dad takes care of the children and runs the house. He often works 6am to 11pm. Which parent works more hours? How many more hours? “
Because the social studies curriculum in grades k and 1 focuses on Family and Community Helpers, respectively, there is typically a lot of integration with the math curriculum. Grade 4 is study of the people and culture of a region, grade 5 is a first pass at US History. Lots of places in both of those where the narrative that much of the rest of the country would accept as “real” Florida labels as Critical Race Theory, and Social Emotional Learning. And— certainly can’t have any of that!
[25 years ago, I worked for one of the major K12 publishers for 2 years. Part of my job was to actually Read the textbooks and be able to talk to teachers, administrators and parents about content and editorial biases. I vividly recall the superintendent of a very large district saying, “I’m happy that (your company’s) editorial bias matches my every day reality.”]
Thank you Mschris.
Many people are trying to get the details on which texts were banned and why through the freedom of Information act. Until they get this secret information we can only guess.
To tell you the truth, I highly suspect dictator DeSantis and his cult have a financial stake in the "approved" textbooks. I would be highly surprised if this is anything but political or financial as he gears up for a presidential run so he can be the next Trump. The funny thing is under the guise of freedom he actually is imposing more restrictions and taking away personal choice and freedom. If he had his way it seems you would not be able to marry the person of your choice, worship your preferred god or even be protected from gun violence and disease. Free dumb and all.
Mschrisgo- excellent explanation. I remember when (70s and 80s) our reading texts were questioned at a school board meeting. Those objecting had all the exact passages that were offensive on a piece of paper. they had not read the book. One they objected to was "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe"!
The great name change seems to be happening here. They recently announced that the 30 various landmarks with "squaw" would be renamed. Squaw Pass, Squaw Mountain, etc. The Colorado Squawfish was renamed the Colorado Pikeminnow some time ago. Our first governor back in the mid-1860's considered native Americans an inferior sub-species to be minimalized. So the mountains, towns, and streets will be renamed. I've not heard the fate of Kit Carson Peak, named after the famous pioneer guide and Indian fighter, but it's on the chopping block, and I could imagine that Carson City might be scrutinized. Not to mention the sports mascots, although Thunderbirds has not seemed offensive.
More globally I was surprised to heard that the Nation Audubon Society would be renamed due to slave ownership. And all evidence of the modern father of ichthyology have been removed from Stanford due to his support for the popular eugenicist movement in the early 19 hundreds. Statues, halls, etc.
I wonder how deep it should go. Our forefathers have a pretty sullied history, but that was then.