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Oops--that should be Congresswoman Cheney.
I would vote for Congresswoman Cheney for president, and I'm not a Republican.
While she has integrity I would not vote for Cheney because she is a warmonger. She fought against the withdrawal from Afghanistan among other things.
I'm pretty sure we agree on absolutely nothing, including that her father is a war criminal, and I wouldn't vote for her under any foreseeable circumstances, but I would be interested to see how she would run the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
Yeah, I'll give Cheney credit for defying her party, but that doesn't make me her potential voter.
Coincidentally, DH and I watched the movie VICE, with Christian Bale. Later I looked it up to see what was factual and what was dramatic license, because it certainly didn't paint a flattering picture of Dick Cheney. Also, it shed light on interesting family dynamics and how politics impacted relationships, like when Liz Cheney said she didn't support same-sex marriage in order to win a congressional seat, even though she fully backed her gay sister Mary's relationship. She basically threw her sister under the bus for political capital. And, according to other sources, that was fact.
Interesting movie, directed in an interesting way. I liked it. Christian Bale was incredible, as he always is. And it was a star-studded movie. Steve Carrell as Donald Rumsfeld was a surprise.
She reversed her stand on gay marriage after she won her election, quietly and belatedly. Not a sister's finest hour,Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
I think I'd like that film; I remember thinking the casting and/or makeup was outstanding.
Barack Obama did as well, and yet he's loved and adored. Are you sure you're not being misogynistic?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
A lot of people have changed their minds on this issue, me included. We had a domestic partnership law, which seemed adequate until I educated myself on the benefits of marriage (what did I know?) And my sibling wasn't "gay-married" yet. I just wish Cheney hadn't embarrassed her sister while she was pondering the issue. That's certainly not my main issue with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
It’s a cynical flip-flop when the other side does it. It’s “evolving” when our side does it.
Well it's not like I was making public pronouncements during my thought process...I suppose politicians can't ever say "I'm still formulating an opinion on that issue."
Yes I wish they would say that. My local alderman guys do say that but then we’re more in touch with themQuote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Well, the Texas GOP sure went full-Trump at their convention this week.
Among other things, they passed this resolution:
"We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States. We strongly urge all Republicans to work to ensure election integrity and to show up to vote in November of 2022, bring your friends and family, volunteer for your local Republicans, and overwhelm any possible fraud."
And the platform they adopted contains the usual motherhood, apple-pie, and hatred we have come to expect.
Ludicrous! Unbelievable that anyone would vote republican in the future.... The article below was from 2017, interestingly that is what trump wanted done to his VP.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/d...round-its-neck
I am so embarrassed of Texas lately. They have gone certifiably nuts.
there’s nothing wrong with motherhood and apple pie although I’m not so keen on hatred. But if more Republicans step up to work the election process, that would be great. Nothing is going to stop any real fraud in St. Louis since it is deeply ingrained, most likely. But if more Republicans would volunteer regularly at the polls, it could make an impact long-term.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
years ago I knew the process here and it was that there was supposed to be Democrat and Republican “election judges “and each polling place. The “Republicans “are so few and far between that people who are actually Democrats fill the role sometimes. I believe the process was the local precinct committeeman had to approve the person claiming to be Democrat or Republican. I’m not sure if that process is still in place. I just remember thinking that a couple of the people I saw appointed as Republicans were honest friends, so whether or not they were actually Republicans did not matter to me.
Same where I am IL. Not enough Republicans to poll watch but here independents fill the gap not Dems.
"We strongly urge all Republicans to work to ensure election integrity..."
Translation: "If the Republican didn't win, yell "fraud."
You notice they never challenge or question the results in their favor.
I have never once heard of this in my state. Must be a swing state phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Not necessarily--this is a concerted effort to make the electorate skeptical of election results throughout the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
https://news.yahoo.com/lawsuits-file...180000969.html
"Secretary of State Kym Wyman, the only Republican currently holding statewide office, said in a statement that this is “the new reality” for elections officials.
“It doesn’t matter how wide a margin in the results,” she said. “You call everything into question and it undermines the validity of everything in the process.” (Yahoo News)
This bullshit fake election fraud is going to be the undoing of our country. Some people will quietly sit by and be pleased with the results since team ugly red will be the winner when that happens. All I can say is **** them and the god damn ugly horse they rode in on.
With eloquence like that, you should consider running for office yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I thought I'd step in with a potential topic changing tidbit. Astrid calls me around every national election to make sure I don't vote Republican. I do find this annoying as I'd never do such a thing and I expect to be trusted as I've always kept this integrity intact.
When asked she said the following - You are disadvantaged and disenfranchised in that strange country. As if that were an explanation for not trusting my voting integrity! I'd never suspect them of voting OVP (Osterreichische Volkspartei) - The Austrian People's Party, what passes for Austrian Republicans.
I find it funky that even on a family level, there can be voting distrust/suspicion.
Rob
Did she explain why she believes that to be true?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Alan.....do you really need to ask that at this point? RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Just curious why she would think that way and if you agree with her. You present yourself as a fairly successful, happy, loved and appreciated person living the American dream. I'm just wondering why either of you would see yourself differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
It IS true that I am doing better, even much better, than when I first arrived here waiting tables in 2005. That said, I will never unsee the truths of America that I learned lucking out and getting to this point, much.of which was sheer luck and having the right people like me. And the virus definitely helped me break out of.hospitality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
And I'm getting off point. I am doing.better but I will always distrust and fear this country - as I said, I learned too much of the truth of it getting to thus current station in life. Disadvantaged though - maybe not so.much these days, I'll give you that. But definitely disenfranchised- I just know how to act as if this is not the case. I guess my.point is as follows - Deficiencies in citizenship have consequences. Something I wish more Americans were capable of grasping.
Rob
As to why Astrid would think this way - all she has to do is comparison shop modern day Austria vs. modern day Austria. The United States cones off as pathetically lacking in any such comparison - though as always I'll give you that Austria has a darker past than the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Rob
Should have been modern day Austria vs modern day America. My mistake, my bad. Rob
One last point - how attached can a thinking person possibly be to a country in which Uvalde can happen; police can get away with this utterly inexcusable behavior AND a country in which the right to bear arms is more important than young life?
I'm not capable of much attachment to such a country. I see myself and most people I know as too inherently decent to have attachment to a country in which my first paragraph holds true.
Rob
So, are you implying that all citizens of this country are disadvantaged and disenfranchised due to some sort of comparison to Austria or some other country? Or is it more granular than that?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I would agree that Uvalde disenfranchised decent everyday people capable of seeing the implications for what they are. Disadvantaged? Go to any US urban area and look around you - if you are capable if grasping implications. And it's getting worse not just every year but every few months now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Rob
What does this sentence mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Access to health care - a basic human right in every other developed country and even some developing countries (Thailand is an example) very much disadvantages many US citizens. I may have health insurance now but I can not unsee what America has shown me on my way getting to this station in life. And I'm far too decent to ever be like I've got mine, go get yours - I will not co-sign the deficiencies of this citizenship that way. We ALL deserve better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Rob
After Uvalde and being proven that the right to bear arms is more important than those murdered children, how could anyone ever have warmth towards or loyalty to the United States ever again? Uvalde is proof that realistically, the US is not a developed country - at least not in terms of basic human rights. We all deserve BETTER.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Rob
Your analysis is deficient. You know this, but yes, it's a good sound bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Ummmmm......when Australia had a mass shooting in the 90's, it's government moved swiftly to limit access to weapons. Human life is worth this in Australia. Human life is not worth this in the US - not even for innocent children. There is no unseeing this - Uvalde will for the remainder of my life block any attachment for me to the US. There is no excuse for this citizenship deficiency. None whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Rob
I taped the hearings to watch later today. Have a feeling it will reveal (by sworn republicans) what a slimeball trump is. Tonight at 7pm central a recap will be on Rachel Maddow. Stephen Colbert will have something to say too, I am sure.
This is all performative BS from the both of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Am I alone in wishing cousin Astrid a trip to the moon, as Ralph Kramden would say?
IL, IL, IL.....When America behaves as if human life means nothing (Uvalde), persons with better citizenship - at least some of them - are going to call the United States out for what it really is. Consider it a well deserved price tag. Austria and Germany dealt with this after WW2....they've had their turn. Don't like it? Don't blindly a support the US after extremely telling incidents such as Uvalde.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
About Astrid - she is entirely correct and within her rights in her call on America on this one. I find it utterly amazing that this passes by you. No need to send her off to the moon - someone like her needs some US national airspace to at least try to clue in a few Americans as to how the rest of the world sees this country. Hint: It's not very flattering.
This, to date anyway, is unlikely to happen in Austria. It's a more cohesive society overall and more help is available to those who need it - I'm thinking government checks to those facing legit struggles (and no shame surrounding this assistance) plus easier access to mental health help - and much more societal expectation(s) as to your behavior.
True Austria is no innocent nation. That said, since it's return to First World Status in the mid to late 70's, it's taken much better care of it's citizenry than America ever has. I have the emotional strength to not only face this but also to never in my lifetime unsee this. YMMV and that's cool - just don't expect persons with better citizenship to unsee something like Uvalde. It's not going to happen.
Rob
I feel very sorry for the residents of Austin - they deserve to be part of a much better state than what Texas is showing itself to be. I can't unsee the latest from Texas, either. Not only the belief that the 2020 election was stolen but the GOP's stance in Texas that homosexuality is an "Abnormal Lifestyle Choice" - boy howdy I'd love an audience with these utter bufoons. They of course would not listen to a word I'd say so perhaps it's for the best that this won't happen. What an utter embarrassment even for a rapidly sliding country such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
I'm glad I saw Austin when I did. I could not enter Texas now.
Rob