Gunman shoots in elementary school in Connecticut

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12-18-12, 6:31pm
Mrs-M

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Originally posted by Eggs and Shrubs.
After Dunblane in 1996 hand guns were banned in the UK.

Exactly what should happen in the US.
12-18-12, 8:33pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by Mrs-M

Exactly what should happen in the US.

Hi Mrs M! On the one hand I can't see that happening because of the damnable second amendment to the US Constitution - which is why I posted some posts back about why is the Constitution so sacred and holy and almost immune to change? I referenced Iceland as a country that has scrapped theirs and started with a new one and seems to be doing fairly well with it so far.....BUT TO BE POSITIVE: Today on the cover of US Today there was an article to the effect that a tipping point may have been reached about gun laws and gun control in the US....I can only hope.

I am very anti gun and I will state here and now why - before my mother fled my father in 1977, he pulled a gun on her in a drunken rage. I saw the whole thing. Luckily he did not pull the trigger, had he I might very well be in prison now for all I know - from the effects of growing up around such a person. There is not a day that passes that I don't remember this - even though the trigger didn't get pulled. Walk a mile in these shoes as a ten year old seeing your drunken father pull a gun on your mother and not know what was going to happen next, and then you may see guns and gun control and gun laws very differently. Just sayin'. As far as I am concerned, this one for me goes beyond taking a liberal or conservative stance, I see this as a HUMAN stance on my part. And I'm sorry I didn't post this sooner, my bad. Rob
12-18-12, 9:05pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by Eggs and Shrubs

Look around the world and learn. In the UK and Australia similar incidents resulted in guns being banned. For the life of me I can't understand why, in the US, carrying a gun is a right but Universal Healthcare is a privilege.

As long as damaged people have relatively easy access to weapons then can anyone honestly say other school shootings won't occur? Sooner rather than later.

I couldn't agree with you more, especially as to the carrying the gun being a right and universal healthcare being a privilege. To me this does not say very good things about the US and I live here. I only can wonder what is says about America and Americans to people elsewhere. Embarrassing to me as here is yet another instance where I am totally off the page of many.....Rob
12-18-12, 9:21pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by Spartana

To protect people's rights. To make sure that the majority doesn't trample on the minorities civil and human consitutional rights. To make it difficult so that any one group of people - say those who believe that homosexuality is a sin and that it should be made illegal and punishible as a crime - can't easily change the law in their favor even if they are in the majority. It's there to insure that you may one day (soon I hope) be able to marry your male partner even if other's are against it.

Beautiful words. Thank you, Spartana. Rob
12-18-12, 10:04pm
redfox

Bae, promise me that if you run into your island neighbor, you vid any impromptu convo you have with him...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2325745.html

Interview with Seattle's former Police Chief.

Editorial in The Guardian
"Newtown shooting: when it comes to guns and violence, America is like a failed state":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...s-failed-again

Editorial from the New Yorker
"Battleground America
One nation, under the gun"BY JILL LEPORE
APRIL 23, 2012

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...fa_fact_lepore
12-18-12, 10:07pm
Tammy

Freein05 ... Thanks for all your service in keeping us all safe in this country. I'm a psych nurse, have worked in corrections, and now in a locked court ordered unit. I have learned to absolutely love and value all the security people who protect me every day.
12-18-12, 10:31pm
Gregg

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Originally Posted by Tammy

Freein05 ... Thanks for all your service in keeping us all safe in this country. I'm a psych nurse, have worked in corrections, and now in a locked court ordered unit. I have learned to absolutely love and value all the security people who protect me every day.

I am curious Tammy (and seriously, I am not being snarky!)... Are the security personnel who protect you armed? If they are, does that make you feel safer? Do you thing that actually DOES make you safer? Thanks in advance for sharing a bit of first hand insight most of us will never have!
12-18-12, 10:38pm
Gregg

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Originally Posted by awakenedsoul

I really appreciated your comment, redfox. I think this discussion was getting abusive and toxic. I'm out of it for that reason.

I hope you'll reconsider. With a majority of folks in this country focusing on the symptom it's important that those looking for the root cause remain engaged.
12-18-12, 10:48pm
redfox

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Originally Posted by Gregg

I hope you'll reconsider. With a majority of folks in this country focusing on the symptom it's important that those looking for the root cause remain engaged.

Agreed! Your opinion counts, awakenedsoul.
12-18-12, 11:19pm
bae

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Originally Posted by redfox

Bae, promise me that if you run into your island neighbor, you vid any impromptu convo you have with him...

You missed the one I had a few years ago when he told people at our domestic violence/sexual assault services organization (which he was the board President of) that victims basically shouldn't resist assault, they might get hurt. He didn't *quite* tell them to lie back and enjoy it, but the message was clear.

I have no use for people of his sort.

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