My son in Minneapolis says he personally knows 5 people, one of which is still on a ventilator. He left his home because of the protests and has now returned ... he always wears a mask BTW. As they say, err on the side of caution.
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My son in Minneapolis says he personally knows 5 people, one of which is still on a ventilator. He left his home because of the protests and has now returned ... he always wears a mask BTW. As they say, err on the side of caution.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
My bil's father died from it. Not sure of the status of his mother yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
My mil's best friend and her son caught it, both ended up in hospital on ventilators. Son recovered, his mother died.
The former pastor's sil died from it.
Masks are among the tools we can use--along with testing/reporting, self-quarantining, border shutdowns, social distancing, etc.--to combat this thing. Taiwan is among the countries that got it right, and issuing millions of masks early was part of that. Last figure I saw for them was single-digit deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
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Reminder to self: Be nice whenever possible. It's always possible. - Dalai Lama
My MIL tested as positive in the nursing home, but she is doing OK.
I know 4 people personally who had it. Three were sick sick sick for weeks but did t need hospitalization and all are recovered. The fourth only lost her sense of taste and smell for a couple of weeks and is now feeling fine.
And apparently wearing masks to preventing spreading the virus if one has covid may actually be quite effective.
https://www.today.com/health/missour...m_npd_td_fb_ma
Not that you’ll see it but I apologize again. This is quite an emotional time For everyone but that’s not an excuse for me being a jerk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Between the virus, economy and what’s happening with the police and the BLM movement people are super stressed.
Tell me about it, after 70 or so years of wabbit hunting they're taking away Elmer Fudd's rifle and cancelling the TV shows Paw Patrol, Live PD and Cops for the crime of showing police officers in a good light. The combination of white guilt and intense virtue signaling creates odd responses in just about everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
next, they will be re-making The Shield only with the Vic Mackey character with 0 redeeming qualities. It won’t be enough that he’s a dirty cop. In the new version he won’t be able to catch pedophiles, pimps who beat up their women, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Just curious if anyone here personally knows someone who has had or has the virus?
yes. Only one dead so far.
between virus and economy alone I don't have the capacity to care about much else is the truth, I mean I have realized I really have nothing left, just trying to survive, really just trying to survive (riots in my bfs neighborhood and curfews that hit as soon as work ended and it was beyond ridiculous, it was like woah I thought things were bad before ...)Quote:
Between the virus, economy and what’s happening with the police and the BLM movement people are super stressed.
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Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
SM, too funny!!
We also skipped the bit about the government confirming UFO’s...
I vaguely heard of the murder hornets but that is all, I spent no time worrying about them, like I said I have no extra psychic capacity to. Just as well.
ANM, your posts are sad as it seems like you are barely getting by.
I had time to sit down and read the entire article this morning. The point does seem to be the one I made, that it is a panacea to allow people to crowd together. The author's example was the subway system in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
This was a computer simulation. It was not a test with actual covid particles, because those are too small to be seen on camera - or to be stopped by a non-surgical mask. Some of the author's conjectures are based on other illnesses with larger particles. I am very fearful this mask mania will extend to 9 months out of the year forever to stop the flu even after covid is long gone. After all as our population ages flu seasons will be more deadly even if the flu virus is not.
Our rights are being eroded for what, for covid, is a panacea. The reason Japan has fewer cases could be something entirely unrelated, such as that they wear gloves on the subway or, given that they have an even older population than the US, they take care of their elderly at home instead of putting them in nursing homes . Now there's something that really would stop most of the covid outbreaks, but good luck with that.
I know two people whose elderly parents, nursing home residents with underlying conditions, died of it. I also know one person whose father did not die of it, but because he was in a nursing home the state forced the medical examiner to change the cause of death to covid. The statistics are inflated.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
All these people accepted their parents' deaths after a long life as somewhat natural, because they were so infirm they were likely to die of some opportunistic infection. There are other people though (stereotypical boomers?) who feel entitled to live forever no matter their state of health and the lifestyle that may have contributed to it.
I know 2 people in their 60's who recovered. They were on oxygen but not ventilators.
Someone’s channeling their inner Dan Patrick again.
Easy for you to be cavalier--the murder hornets made their debut up here in Washington, similar to COVID19. I'm rethinking some life choices...:0!Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Every day I check the local deaths, there is breakdown by age, and preexisting conditions by age, every day someone in the 41-65 group without preexisting conditions dies of it. I mean maybe they have type A blood and that is why, I'm glad I don't. A local manager at a supermarket makes the news of dying from it, I mean of course, position that interacts with a lot of people, it's bound to happen. I know doubt probably saw that manager at one point (not during the pandemic but before all that).
Y, people don’t take care of their parents at homes because they have jobs and kids. Are you going to take care of your parents? Stereotypical boomers -ugh!!! Sorry I unblocked you.
I think the idea of taking care of elderly at home is a valid point. I’m not saying it should be done, I’m not saying people are slacking for not doing it, I’m saying none of those things.
I’m just saying that Japan may not have the ghettos of elderly that we have here and that societal difference might have a measurable impact on the Covid19 death rate.
https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-eve...e-protein.html
Good luck out there.
It’s usually the women baring the brunt of caring for elderly parents even if it’s not their parents.
Too technical for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
It is really difficult to be on call 24/7 for an elderly person that cannot do daily cares. I did this for a few weeks for my MIL and told my husband to find a place for her. I am not giving up my life for her. That is what needs to be done. You can never get away from it. Thankfully, we have a 2 story house and she could not do stairs and I am a small person and was difficult for me to help her bath or shower. She was too heavy for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I don’t ever expect to live with my kids. It ruins lives. Either you tough it out yourself, hire help or go to a facility. My MIL couldn’t be alone all the time after having a major surgery so she lived with us for 2 weeks. We still went to work and she took care of herself. After 2 weeks her strength was back and she went home. Then 2 years later it happened again but she needed help with everything and couldn’t be alone. I told my husband to either take leave from work and do it or she would have to go to a rehab facility. Unfortunately they managed to kill her at 67.
I think in some other time families had to care for elders as there were very few other options. Also, elders weren't held in what seems like perpetuity with drugs as they are now. When it was time to go, they died. My grandmother lived with us a short while until she broke her hip and went to the "home." My MIL is...pardon the expression...rotting in a Brookdale home. She has been on lockdown now for two months so is stuck in a bleak room with drugs delivered twice a day. Her daughter had been caring for her but could no longer take the stress of caring for her along with a full time job. If it was quick and not painful, it would be a blessing for her to die of the virus.
Here's yet another article on the value of mask wearing:
https://www.wcvb.com/article/study-s...-wave/32843976
The modeling is based on 100% face mask usage. That is not going to happen in a free society. I see lower and lower compliance at work among both employees and customers. I think it is a combination of hot weather and mask fatigue. Even those who mandate masks allow for medical exceptions, so you will never get to 100%, and any model that depends on 100% to prove its point just disproved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
I've read similar articles noting decreased incidence with 80% of us wearing masks, but I've completely lost faith in the citizens of this country and their ability to do the right thing, so let the infections begin, I guess.
I decided to recheck statistics today on Sweden, a country that, other than banning large gatherings, let people decide for themselves if and how they wanted to respond to the virus. It has the 7th most deaths per 100,000 population after San Marino, Belgium, Andorra, the UK, Spain and Italy. Their strategy has been to get this over with in one wave, rather than multiple waves. Their deaths and ICU hospitalizations are trending downwards. So far they are doing better than some more restrictive countries. It will be interesting to see how by the end of the pandemic this all works out, when deaths from all waves are totalled up.
Data source is Johns Hopkins University
Of course the U.S. has MORE cases per capita than Sweden so if cases were to be believed we HAVE MORE immunity than Sweden (they may be testing less in Sweden than here, that's the hard part). Still estimates are like 3% or people maybe have had it here.
Not yet more deaths per capita than Sweden in the U.S., maybe give it time. Of course every country is counting deaths somewhat differently as well.
It's possible most just socially distanced voluntarily in Sweden, at any rate their economy seems to have taken a hit as big as surrounding countries that did a lockdown did, whether from voluntary social distancing or just the economic hit of the virus itself.
source: the coronavirus graph on weather.com whose source it the World Health Organization.
The trend in this country, especially in the South, is to not test and/or hide statistics pertaining to incidence of or death due to COVID19. IIRC, the FEMA website lists one case and no deaths at the Kirkland nursing home that had something like 35 fatalities early in the pandemic.
During the interview, Anders Tegnell said, "If we were to run into the same disease, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," according to a Reuters translation. (Newsweek)
Sweden's death rate is very close to ten percent, but they do have a functioning health care system that doesn't gouge its citizens. Small comfort to the families of those who died.
We also have no idea if people get a herd immunity with this virus.
Sweden - the guy in charge of their response plan says he did it wrong:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...03-p54z99.html