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11-8-22, 5:13pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by bae

We have the same issue, but reversed, here.

We used to have more competition on the ballot here, but some redistricting that happened years ago carefully set up "safe" seats for almost everyone, so there's rarely real competition. When there is an opposing candidate, that person generally is running on their own without much support from their Party - perhaps the Party knows it'd be a waste.

Wouldn’t think of calling you a liar bae, but I will gently suggest that you are likely just wrong about Democrats setting up “safe “seats.

If I’ve learned one thing from this forum it is that Republicans only do “gerrymandering. “ Whenever Democrats redraw voting districts it is ALWAYS a fair and balanced outcome.
11-8-22, 5:23pm
pinkytoe

Iris, hope the hubster gets well soon! I voted a week ago a mix of Repubs and Dems. We do mail-ins or ballot drop off here - so much easier than the old Texas way of standing in line at the funeral home polling place.
11-8-22, 5:26pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by pinkytoe

Iris, hope the hubster gets well soon! I voted a week ago a mix of Repubs and Dems. We do mail-ins or ballot drop off here - so much easier than the old Texas way of standing in line at the funeral home polling place.

I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.
11-8-22, 5:27pm
Rogar

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

The title of this thread is why NOT to vote republican….It sucks to hear you are a turncoat.

In other times, it would not have mattered as much. If republicans win… don’t expect anyone to feel sorry for you. Medicare and social security are on the line….you may have to work forever?? Plus all the other reasons mentioned previously…..

In the end it seems like they all vote the party line regardless of how practical or outrageous they may seem, or which side they come from. That's where the money comes from to get them elected. I suppose some have influential committee posts where they may steer things, and Cheney and Manchin type exceptions. And maybe someday far off the minority of them could have enough of a voice to affect changes in the party platform. It doesn't seem like it's always been that way and at the local level less so.
11-8-22, 5:45pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by Alan

I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.

The only time I’ve stood in line is when the Christmas and Easter voters come to vote, that would be every four years for a Presidential election.

I didn’t miss an election for the first 32 years I lived here. Then I missed a couple of minor elections because… I just didn’t want to bother with it. I was either in Hermann or getting ready to go to Hermann or something.
11-8-22, 5:48pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by Rogar

In the end it seems like they all vote the party line regardless of how practical or outrageous they may seem, or which side they come from. That's where the money comes from to get them elected. I suppose some have influential committee posts where they may steer things, and Cheney and Manchin type exceptions. And maybe someday far off the minority of them could have enough of a voice to affect changes in the party platform. It doesn't seem like it's always been that way and at the local level less so.

I agree, they all glom together to vote with their party on most issues. Some years ago I decided I didn’t really care about the “ positions” Candidates have since they are going to adopt their party’s position anyway.

I do like some politicians for the way they describe why they’re voting the way they vote, and how they describe what the country should be doing.

You know, you can change that party line voting. Work towards a system that doesn’t favor two strong parties. You can be the change you wish to see!
11-8-22, 5:53pm
bae

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Originally Posted by Alan

I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.

When I voted yesterday, it took only a moment, but there was an armed person at the ballot box with me the whole time!

https://i.imgur.com/19ZWqjO.png
11-8-22, 5:55pm
JaneV2.0

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Originally Posted by Alan

I can't recall ever standing in long lines to vote. Today, my wife and I were in and out in under 5 minutes, that seems to be our norm.

When I voted in person, there were rarely more than a few people in line ahead of me. But I've never lived in a poor or targeted area. It's not hard to find video reports of voters forced to wait for hours in voting lines because Republicans have closed many traditional polling places, which is a national disgrace.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1VV09J

From the article: "The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights found www.democracydiverted.org that states with a history of racial discrimination have shuttered hundreds of voting locations since the court ruled that they did not need federal approval to change their laws. The report did not have comparisons with polling places in other regions.

The report comes as Republican-led states impose a range of other restrictions, from shorter voting hours to photo-ID requirements. As turnout has surged in recent elections, voters in cities like Phoenix, Arizona and Atlanta, Georgia, have endured hours-long waits to cast their ballots."
11-8-22, 7:04pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

The report comes as Republican-led states impose a range of other restrictions, from shorter voting hours to photo-ID requirements. As turnout has surged in recent elections, voters in cities like Phoenix, Arizona and Atlanta, Georgia, have endured hours-long waits to cast their ballots."

In my state, polling places and their locations are the responsibility of the city or county in which voting takes place. Are Republicans in charge of polling stations in Phoenix and Atlanta?

Also, when it says that Republican led states are imposing restrictions, does that mean they want to roll back Covid related relaxations or something else? The quotations above seem to be lacking context in favor of a narrative.
11-8-22, 7:38pm
Teacher Terry

Things would be better if people voted for the best candidates and not a party. I have voted for republicans. We have had some very good republican governors here.
11-8-22, 7:58pm
JaneV2.0

Many, many years ago, we had reasonable Republicans, and I regularly voted for them. Those days are gone.
11-8-22, 9:45pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

When I voted in person, there were rarely more than a few people in line ahead of me. But I've never lived in a poor or targeted area. It's not hard to find video reports of voters forced to wait for hours in voting lines because Republicans have closed many traditional polling places, which is a national disgrace.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1VV09J

From the article: "The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights found www.democracydiverted.org that states with a history of racial discrimination have shuttered hundreds of voting locations since the court ruled that they did not need federal approval to change their laws. The report did not have comparisons with polling places in other regions.

The report comes as Republican-led states impose a range of other restrictions, from shorter voting hours to photo-ID requirements. As turnout has surged in recent elections, voters in cities like Phoenix, Arizona and Atlanta, Georgia, have endured hours-long waits to cast their ballots."

And as a part of the lazy journalism of this article, it ignores significant factors. For instance, Arizona has instigated in recent years voting by mail where anybody can request a ballot. They also support early voting. That reduces the number of traditional voting places needed on election day.
11-8-22, 10:20pm
frugal-one

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Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Things would be better if people voted for the best candidates and not a party. I have voted for republicans. We have had some very good republican governors here.

Read above WHY tHis is not a good idea in these times.
11-8-22, 10:25pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

DH had unexpected surgery for appendicitis this morning. He had a small complication and so he will not be discharged today. He will not be able to vote! I will go in later today to vote though.

Goodness. I hope he's ok and has a speedy recovery.
11-8-22, 10:26pm
frugal-one

Yes, IL hope DH is doing well!
11-8-22, 10:30pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by catherine

Nice picture, Alan! DH and I will be going soon to town hall to cancel each other's votes out.

Do you go together? My parents always went to vote individually. I'd noticed it but didn't really think about it much until after I was an adult and they were still doing it so I asked why. Mom told the story of when they went to vote together as newlyweds in the mid 50's. Dad went first. Then mom stated her name and the poll worker tried to find her in the democratic listing, so mom said "I'm registered republican". To which the poll worker responded by shouting to my dad (now in the voting booth) "Whatsa matter!? You can't keep her in line??? har har har" Even though that had been 40 years earlier, when Mom told that story she became angry remembering how she had wanted to punch that woman at the time.
11-8-22, 10:34pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Wouldn’t think of calling you a liar bae, but I will gently suggest that you are likely just wrong about Democrats setting up “safe “seats.

If I’ve learned one thing from this forum it is that Republicans only do “gerrymandering. “ Whenever Democrats redraw voting districts it is ALWAYS a fair and balanced outcome.

I can't speak for other states but the largest blue state in the nation has a nonpartisan redistricting commission. I'm fine with that and wish every state had one because I'm not in favor of gerrymandering regardless of who it benefits. California democrats can do just fine without having their thumbs on the scale, thank you very much.
11-8-22, 10:38pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by Alan

In my state, polling places and their locations are the responsibility of the city or county in which voting takes place. Are Republicans in charge of polling stations in Phoenix and Atlanta?

Also, when it says that Republican led states are imposing restrictions, does that mean they want to roll back Covid related relaxations or something else? The quotations above seem to be lacking context in favor of a narrative.

In Georgia ballot drop boxes are limited by state law, as is the ability to vote absentee. Those are not controlled by the county.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/27/11124...rop-box-access
11-8-22, 10:40pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

But there is a piece on the CNN website where Kevin McCarthy outlines what his priorities will be when he becomes House Speaker. None of it should come as a surprise to anyone. Controlling the border, expanding energy production, possible some House hearings on Covid, Afghanistan, DOJ issues, etc., continued support to Ukraine and other such things. You’ll need to wait for specific bills to try and pick apart, but don’t worry. They’re coming.

Did he start with his list with his desire to hit Nancy Pelosi on the head with the speaker's gavel as his first act as speaker if the country is unfortunate enough to have that happen? He's even classier than people that vote for coup participants.
11-8-22, 10:55pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by jp1

In Georgia ballot drop boxes are limited by state law, as is the ability to vote absentee. Those are not controlled by the county.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/27/11124...rop-box-access

But we weren't talking about ballot drop boxes, we were talking about polling stations.

Although the story you link to doesn't say so, it would appear that it too is missing context. It would appear to be a complaint that the temporary/emergency measures put into place during covid lockdowns are no longer authorized. Considering the fact that in Georgia, as well as most other states, it's never been easier to vote considering generous early voting timelines and ease of absentee ballots, why is it necessary to maintain special considerations due to covid era lockdown and limited public gathering restrictions? All voting in Georgia ended a couple of hours ago so there's no reason to continue the Jim Crow 2 narrative any longer.
11-8-22, 11:26pm
Tradd

Here in IL, we got Jelly Bean Prickster for another term, as well as She Who Has No Leg to Stand On.

The media called it for Prickster around 6pm, I think. The polls close at 7.
11-8-22, 11:28pm
Tradd

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Originally Posted by jp1

I can't speak for other states but the largest blue state in the nation has a nonpartisan redistricting commission. I'm fine with that and wish every state had one because I'm not in favor of gerrymandering regardless of who it benefits. California democrats can do just fine without having their thumbs on the scale, thank you very much.

You should have seen the mess in IL with redistricting. When Chicago redid the ward borders, blacks and Hispanics were fighting over who got the most wards.
11-8-22, 11:29pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by Alan

But we weren't talking about ballot drop boxes, we were talking about polling stations.

Although the story you link to doesn't say so, it would appear that it too is missing context. It would appear to be a complaint that the temporary/emergency measures put into place during covid lockdowns are no longer authorized. Considering the fact that in Georgia, as well as most other states, it's never been easier to vote considering generous early voting timelines and ease of absentee ballots, why is it necessary to maintain special considerations due to covid era lockdown and limited public gathering restrictions? All voting in Georgia ended a couple of hours ago so there's no reason to continue the Jim Crow 2 narrative any longer.

Considering that there’s no evidence that ballot boxes and early voting is rife with fraudulence what do you have against making it as easy for legitimate voters to vote?
11-8-22, 11:33pm
jp1

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Originally Posted by Tradd

Here in IL … as well as She Who Has No Leg to Stand On.
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I’m impressed with your ability to embrace the current Republican orthodoxy of mocking veterans and people with disabilities.
11-8-22, 11:34pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by jp1

Considering that there’s no evidence that ballot boxes and early voting is rife with fraudulence what do you have against making it as easy for legitimate voters to vote?

Just because it's not large scale doesn't mean it's not there and all efforts to diminish voting rules just make it easier to accomplish. Why would you be in favor of that?

As an example, and since you're a big fan of Jimmy Carter, do you remember when he chaired a commission on voting rights and declared that mail in voting was the greatest threat to our election system? Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting - WSJ
11-8-22, 11:34pm
Tradd

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Originally Posted by jp1

I’m impressed with your ability to embrace the current Republican orthodoxy of mocking veterans and people with disabilities.

She mentions it ALL THE TIME. I know Dems who are fans of hers who wished she’d shut up about it.
11-8-22, 11:45pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by Tradd

She mentions it ALL THE TIME. I know Dems who are fans of hers who wished she’d shut up about it.

I can never remember if she’s a Democrat or a Republican, but I do always remember that she has one leg.
11-8-22, 11:50pm
Tradd

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

I can never remember if she’s a Democrat or a Republican, but I do always remember that she has one leg.

She’s a Dem. With no legs.
11-9-22, 12:18am
jp1

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Originally Posted by Alan

Just because it's not large scale doesn't mean it's not there and all efforts to diminish voting rules just make it easier to accomplish. Why would you be in favor of that?

As an example, and since you're a big fan of Jimmy Carter, do you remember when he chaired a commission on voting rights and declared that mail in voting was the greatest threat to our election system? Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting - WSJ

Seriously? You had to go back over 40 years to justify your irrational fear of voter fraud? Pathetic.
11-9-22, 12:20am
jp1

I guess I get it though Alan. You also are willing to believe the stupid ****s who are trying to put a bizarre angry gay lover theme on the asshole Republican attack on Paul pelosi.
11-9-22, 12:35am
jp1

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Originally Posted by Tradd

She mentions it ALL THE TIME. I know Dems who are fans of hers who wished she’d shut up about it.

If I lost my legs fighting for my country I’d probably remember it on a daily basis too. And I’d probably also discount the opinion of people who didn’t serve my country when they say STFU about your no longer existent legs.
11-9-22, 7:17am
frugal-one

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Originally Posted by Alan

But we weren't talking about ballot drop boxes, we were talking about polling stations.

Although the story you link to doesn't say so, it would appear that it too is missing context. It would appear to be a complaint that the temporary/emergency measures put into place during covid lockdowns are no longer authorized. Considering the fact that in Georgia, as well as most other states, it's never been easier to vote considering generous early voting timelines and ease of absentee ballots, why is it necessary to maintain special considerations due to covid era lockdown and limited public gathering restrictions? All voting in Georgia ended a couple of hours ago so there's no reason to continue the Jim Crow 2 narrative any longer.

That is not true everywhere. Check out Milwaukee, WI where polling locations have been reduced ….

polling place consolidation reduced turnout by 8.6 percentage points, and
Black turnout was especially depressed from these closures.
11-9-22, 8:39am
Alan

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Originally Posted by jp1

I guess I get it though Alan. You also are willing to believe the stupid ****s who are trying to put a bizarre angry gay lover theme on the asshole Republican attack on Paul pelosi.

I've been meaning to thank you JP for always letting me know what I think about one thing or another. I find it to be such a time saver.
11-9-22, 9:15am
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by Tradd

She’s a Dem. With no legs.

Well, that makes it worse.
11-9-22, 9:24am
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by jp1

Seriously? You had to go back over 40 years to justify your irrational fear of voter fraud? Pathetic.

Kinda like how you pulled some sort of justification for Trudy Valentine’s Senate campaign from Democratic Governor Mel Carnahan’s term in office.

Carnahan has been dead for 30 years.

and speaking of Trudy Valentine‘s campaign, she lost. Everything I knew about Trudy, which granted wasn’t much, did not disturb me. But the better candidate won for Missouri. I’m hoping he will shake loose his Donald J Trump shackles and move on from that.

I remember thinking a few years ago when Cori Bush upset the long term candidate, another black Democrat of course in my city congressional district, that she couldn’t be too bad, she had to be better than what we got rid of. But I was so so wrong.
11-9-22, 9:58am
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

That is not true everywhere. Check out Milwaukee, WI where polling locations have been reduced ….

polling place consolidation reduced turnout by 8.6 percentage points, and
Black turnout was especially depressed from these closures.

But who who is responsible for reducing the number of polling places frugal-one? You have mentioned this over and over, but are you looking at who did it?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...on/5127577002/

From the above article I conclude:

1.Running elections in 2020 was a shit show in Milwaukee as in every other place due to coronavirus and voting by mail was encoraged.

2. Getting poll workers was a REAL concern then. I know in my household, DH who has been an election judge for 15 years, stepped out of working all elections. Locally here, younger people who were far less vulnerable to the coronavirus did not step forward to fill the shoes of traditional oldster election workers.

3. In Milwaukee, the number and placement of polling places is determined by the Milwaukee Election .commission. I’m sure your Democratic Party leader, Kimmy Zapata ( The girl who committed voter fraud to demonstrate voter fraud) was in on that decision as #2 in command. Another poor decision on the part of Kim Zapata?

4. The Milwaukee election commission is made up of more Democrats than Republicans according to today’s information.

https://city.milwaukee.gov/election

Since your charge seems to be the Milwaukee Election Commission didn’t want Black people to vote, why did the Democrats not want Black people to vote? That seems counterintuitive in a large blue city.
11-9-22, 11:45am
littlebittybobby

Okay---Carnahan's plane went down in year 2000. Maybe I'll hike to the crash site, and explore the wreckage, sometime. Hope that helps you kids. Tell you what---30 years ago, I happened upon a rally for some gal from SL at SMS, who was running for u. s. congerss, and they had ol' Peggy Sue herself giving a rousing speech on behalf of the candy-date! But, the candy-date lost, and then died in Fla. a few years ago But yeah----Peggy Sue did give a fiery oration. Yup. Thank Mee.
11-9-22, 11:56am
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by littlebittybobby

Okay---Carnahan's plane went down in year 2000. Hope that helps you kids. Tell you what---I happened upon a rally for some gal from SL at SMS, who was running for congerss, and they had ol' Peggy Sue hereslf giving a rousing speech on behalf of the candy-date. But, the candy-date lost, and then died a few years ago But yeah----Peggy Sue did give a fiery oration. Yup. Thank Mee.

ah, 20 years then, but the info jp mentioned coild have been 30 years old since Democrat Mel Carnahan was governor in 1993. That is 30 years ago. He got the biggest check I have ever written to a politician, $1,000 back in the days when I was not disbursing $1,000 checks to politicians or charitable organizations, but there was a specific reason for that big check to Mel.

Too bad he died. I had a fondness for all of the Carnahans. His lesser son Russ was the rather weak Congressman next door for a while, I often saw Russ my neighborhood yet I have never seen, not once, our actual congressman. His cracker jack dynamite daughter, Robin Carnahan, was Missouri secretary of State.

While I think it is generally wise to not have family dynasties in politics, I liked the Carnahans.
11-9-22, 8:08pm
frugal-one

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

But who who is responsible for reducing the number of polling places frugal-one? You have mentioned this over and over, but are you looking at who did it?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...on/5127577002/

From the above article I conclude:

1.Running elections in 2020 was a shit show in Milwaukee as in every other place due to coronavirus and voting by mail was encoraged.

2. Getting poll workers was a REAL concern then. I know in my household, DH who has been an election judge for 15 years, stepped out of working all elections. Locally here, younger people who were far less vulnerable to the coronavirus did not step forward to fill the shoes of traditional oldster election workers.

3. In Milwaukee, the number and placement of polling places is determined by the Milwaukee Election .commission. I’m sure your Democratic Party leader, Kimmy Zapata ( The girl who committed voter fraud to demonstrate voter fraud) was in on that decision as #2 in command. Another poor decision on the part of Kim Zapata?

4. The Milwaukee election commission is made up of more Democrats than Republicans according to today’s information.

https://city.milwaukee.gov/election

Since your charge seems to be the Milwaukee Election Commission didn’t want Black people to vote, why did the Democrats not want Black people to vote? That seems counterintuitive in a large blue city.

To set the record straight I do not live in Milwaukee. My point was to let Alan know his assumption was not correct.

The reason this happened is because republicans have all the power (except governor) and have been gerrymandering. I don’t believe the election commission sets boundaries.
11-9-22, 8:17pm
Alan

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

To set the record straight I do not live in Milwaukee. My point was to let Alan know his assumption was not correct.

What assumption might that be?

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