Iris lilies, how are things in your hood?

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

There is supposed to be a police report filed. In this case, it was late and scanty (the cynic might say they were trying to come up with a good story). According to Time: http://time.com/3159680/ferguson-mic...police-report/

"The incident report, filed by the St. Louis County police department, contains no new information on the encounter between Brown and Wilson. There are no written details about the event. As a result, the officer’s account of what transpired when the two men met just after noon on Aug. 9 remains a mystery."

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Did you miss the other part?
And it will be for some time, according to Brian Schellman, a spokesman for the St. Louis County police department. Schellman told TIME that the department does not intend to release the “investigative” component of the incident report, the part that details Wilson’s version of events. Schellman said that under the Missouri State “Sunshine” Law, the department was not required to release the information during a pending investigation. As a result, Wilson’s account of what happens will remain confidential unless it is presented by a prosecutor, Schellman said.
“We will not release it,” said Schellman, who noted that this is the county’s normal procedure. “This isn’t any different than a typical larceny from a local convenience store.”

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Originally Posted by iris lily

"Citizenship viable for the long term" -- whatever does that mean?

...to get people like you riled up.

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Some people are just prone to overreaction

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

Late and scanty does not look good. It really doesn't. It leaves the door open to all sorts of questions and insinuations and in a court of law, for me anyway, it would create reasonable doubt. I'm not saying Michael Brown was any kind of saint - clearly he was not - but on the other side of the equation, why was this report left so scant? What's up with that, Ferguson Police? Rob

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Rob, did you even read the information Jane provided?

To recap:

Ferguson Police didn't write a report, they turned this investigate over to the St. Louis COunty police (the big polic organization in their area)

St. Louis COunty police have a "report" that pretty much notes time and day see link above)

That same link reviews for us that:

...under the Missouri State “Sunshine” Law, the department was not required to release the information during a pending investigation. As a result, Wilson’s account of what happens will remain confidential unless it is presented by a prosecutor, Schellman said. “We will not release it,” said Schellman, who noted that this is the county’s normal procedure. “This isn’t any different than a typical larceny from a local convenience store.”

You may remember that several posts up I related that the St. Louis County Prosecutor will not release information until it (at least) has gone to the Grand Jury.

You. Will. Not. Get. "official" information on demand. Neither will HuffPo. Neither will CNN. And neither will our pundit from the Gateway. :)

You WILL get, immediately, spin and faux facts and speculation from both sides, and that includes an autopsy report from the celebrity-coroner who likes getting his name in the news.

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

Some people are just prone to overreaction

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I have seen police brutality here in Phoenix before - it is impossible for me to ever trust any police in the United States again. That has been permanently destroyed for me. For the police to attack and brutally assault innocent Hispanic neighbors and accuse them of dealing in drugs when they were not - that stays with you once you witness it. That is a justifiable reason for "overreaction" as you put it. Never again can I trust American police or courts. Rob

PS To be fair though, I lost my trust of the courts before this, when OJ walked free. Witnessing the above only reinforced my distrust of the American police/courts/"justice" system.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Rob, did you even read the information Jane provided?

To recap:

Ferguson Police didn't write a report, they turned this investigate over to the St. Louis COunty police (the big polic organization in their area)

St. Louis COunty police have a "report" that pretty much notes time and day see link above)

That same link reviews for us that:

...under the Missouri State “Sunshine” Law, the department was not required to release the information during a pending investigation. As a result, Wilson’s account of what happens will remain confidential unless it is presented by a prosecutor, Schellman said. “We will not release it,” said Schellman, who noted that this is the county’s normal procedure. “This isn’t any different than a typical larceny from a local convenience store.”

You may remember that several posts up I related that the St. Louis County Prosecutor will not release information until it (at least) has gone to the Grand Jury.

You. Will. Not. Get. "official" information on demand. Neither will HuffPo. Neither will CNN. And neither will our pundit from the Gateway. :)

You WILL get, immediately, spin and faux facts and speculation from both sides, and that includes an autopsy report from the celebrity-coroner who likes getting his name in the news.

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OK then - it looks like there is a legal loophole here, great for the Ferguson police. The problem here? As I posted some pages ago - how is this not releasing this information going to be perceived, law or not? Think about that and think about how much anger and resentment is festering and simmering out there - perceptions I'm afraid could end out mattering much more than the law. And perhaps that is a good thing as it could lead to social change and changes in the status quo. This whole situation could get very interesting and I'd hazard to guess if there is no indictment, things will get very interesting indeed.....and due to perceptions going viral, if there is no indictment, how is this going to look to the rest of the world? There is more at play here than just the "law" is my point. Rob

PS Has anyone besides me even thought yet of how much tourism revenue is going to be lost due to the images of Ferguson having been spread around the world? How many less hotel rooms will be sold and how many less tacky plastic souvenirs will be sold now? Has anyone thought of the economic consequences beyond real estate values in Ferguson? Rob

[QUOTE=gimmethesimplelife;182882]IL, what I meant was, if the police are going to be treating everyday people as automatic enemies - witness the police militarization in Ferguson and around the US - is it worthwhile to stay here in the US given how short life is - would not most people be better off elsewhere?/QUOTE]

You are better off elsewhere. When will you be leaving?

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

IL, what I meant was, if the police are going to be treating everyday people as automatic enemies - witness the police militarization in Ferguson and around the US - is it worthwhile to stay here in the US given how short life is - would not most people be better off elsewhere?/QUOTE]

You are better off elsewhere. When will you be leaving?

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Probably once my mom passes to be honest. And I'm not the only one who would be better off elsewhere, I think most people would be, if only for the reason of what the American workplace has become. But that's another thread. I take it then that you are comfortable with the militarization of the police and do not find this a reason to leave America? I'd like to live somewhere where seeing a police car driving up the street close to me would not case intense fear. I can no longer have this in America for the reason I stated in my reply to Yossarian.....police equal the potential for civil rights violations to me now based on what I have seen here in Phoenix. Rob

Why not take your mother with you? Why isn't she endangered here, too?

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

PS Has anyone besides me even thought yet of how much tourism revenue is going to be lost due to the images of Ferguson having been spread around the world? How many less hotel rooms will be sold and how many less tacky plastic souvenirs will be sold now? Has anyone thought of the economic consequences beyond real estate values in Ferguson? Rob

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Yes, rioting and looting has a negative impact on the local economy.

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

Never again can I trust American police or courts. Rob

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Buena suerte con la policia mexicana amigo.