Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

Two months ago I was pretty fed up with the tone of the Republican debates. In the past 60 days a lot has happened.

Influential republicans are choosing sides but some are still on the sideline.

I will not be sitting on the sideline or playing another game. When the time comes I intend to vote for Trump and I believe a significant number of other people just like me will do the same. I will not enable the status quo. I won't pout and take my football home. Clinton is that offensive. Definitely never Clinton.

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Originally Posted by Williamsmith

Two months ago I was pretty fed up with the tone of the Republican debates. In the past 60 days a lot has happened.

Influential republicans are choosing sides but some are still on the sideline.

I will not be sitting on the sideline or playing another game. When the time comes I intend to vote for Trump and I believe a significant number of other people just like me will do the same. I will not enable the status quo. I won't pout and take my football home. Clinton is that offensive. Definitely never Clinton.

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Really can't understand how people can vote for Trump. I even checked out the documentary on him and find nothing redeeming about him. He is offensive, at best. I just don't under stand it. I don't like Hillary either but she, at least, is not offensive and has some Presidential qualities. She also has experience. Trump is all bravado. He will HAVE to have a vice president that has experience since he is totally lacking.

Except I remember people making the same argument about GW Bush. So many people thought he was a dummy but that VP Cheney would be there to guide him. And look how that turned out>:(

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Originally Posted by Lainey

Except I remember people making the same argument about GW Bush. So many people thought he was a dummy but that VP Cheney would be there to guide him. And look how that turned out>:(

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And W looks downright statesmanlike compared to the Trumpster. Holy hairballs!

As imperfect as Trump is........I prefer not to accept the politics that got us in this jam in the first place. With Clinton, there is absolutely no hope to halt the national debt from climbing. With due respect to Bernie, the national debt and the economy are of utmost importance. I do not know how Trump will work out but I know Clinton and four years of that scares me. Bernie is obviously more of the people's choice but he can't even get the majority of delegates even when he wins the primary. That's how the Clintons roll. The only hope she has is if she takes Bernie as VP and if Trump self destructs. His followers will not break ranks and run.

I would also like to bury the Mitt Romneys of the world and their holier than thou attitudes. I hope he runs as a third party candidate and when he garners one percent of the vote he will go home to stay.

As as far as a VP.....Gingrich is at the top of the list based on what Trump says he wants. He is definitely a deal maker.

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Originally Posted by Lainey

Except I remember people making the same argument about GW Bush. So many people thought he was a dummy but that VP Cheney would be there to guide him. And look how that turned out>:(

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so let's do none of that again and vote for Clinton

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Originally Posted by Williamsmith

As imperfect as Trump is........I prefer not to accept the politics that got us in this jam in the first place. With Clinton, there is absolutely no hope to halt the national debt from climbing. With due respect to Bernie, the national debt and the economy are of utmost importance. I do not know how Trump will work out but I know Clinton and four years of that scares me. Bernie is obviously more of the people's choice but he can't even get the majority of delegates even when he wins the primary. That's how the Clintons roll. The only hope she has is if she takes Bernie as VP and if Trump self destructs. His followers will not break ranks and run.

I would also like to bury the Mitt Romneys of the world and their holier than thou attitudes. I hope he runs as a third party candidate and when he garners one percent of the vote he will go home to stay.

As as far as a VP.....Gingrich is at the top of the list based on what Trump says he wants. He is definitely a deal maker.

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I understand your desire to shake things up, and I'm there with you, but only as far as Bernie Sanders. I was just listening to Trump talking about Hillary and Elizabeth Warren and I hate the way he describes people as if they were Garbage Pail Kids--Lyin' Ted, Crooked Hillary, etc. How schoolyard can you get?? Maybe reducing a race to the Presidency as nothing more than a Batman and Robin comic book is the secret of his success--after all, reducing your message to superficial, unsubstantiated adjectives is the best marketing technique there is--but I think it's a scary way to capture voters.

I'm all for shaking things up too but the thing about revolutions is that once you get rid of the old sometimes what comes in to fill the void is worse than what existed before. With planning they can turn out great, but it's not a given. Trump would certainly shake things up but, frankly, I have no idea what he would actually do once he became president, and I'm not even convinced that he does either.

Something that I don't see covered on the media and yet another reason I'm afraid of Trump. How dare he antagonize Mexico as he does? The man honestly has no clue what America has become and that America forces - as in coerced via no choice due to simple economics- so many Americans across the border for access to health and dental care that is unaffordable in the US.

Mexico is a lifesaver and a safety valve for so many.....and what does Trump do? Imperil the safety valve and make lower income people yet more vulnerable to America. I truly am sickened by him for this - there is no excuse for putting US citizens at such risk to the United States like this by antagonizing Mexico. How out of touch with reality can the man possibly be? This is even worse than Ted Cruz giving up his Canadian citizenship and passport. Luckily he's a done deal but now we have Trump putting US citizens at risk......

Hillary I'm not thrilled about but here's the rub. Keeping the status quo means not imperiling affordable medical and dental care in Mexico for those swept under the rug by America. Voting for Trump is saying you are OK with potentially victimizing a class of Americans forced across the border for health and dental - and this is OK? Just thought I'd drop that bit of reality here as the media is not going to cover this.

Once again, I don't much like Hillary either. But a vote for her equals a vote for basic human rights in the sense that we keep less hostile relations with Mexico and the safety net of crossing the border for affordable medical and dental open. It seems to me that simply from a basic human rights perspective, Hillary is the lesser of the two evils. Rob

In Trump, the Left finally gets the cartoon villain of their dreams. He's crude, boorish and not particularly committed to truth. He gets his strongest support from those bitter clingers in iron oxide flyover country. He's not even ashamed of being rich. He respects none of the established pieties. What's not to hate?

On the Right, he's the demagogue who seems to be hijacking the Republican Party and re-branding it into something resembling one of those nasty little European ethno-nationalist parties. What's worse, insofar as he has any coherent policies at all, he's nothing more than a big government liberal. Probably to the left of Clinton in many areas once she gets the nomination and quits needing to pretend she's a less nutty version of Sanders. Once again, what's not to hate?

I can't see any reason to support the guy outside petty spite and a sadly ignoble strain of nihilism.

On the other hand, Clinton has raised political hackery to a point that makes satire redundant. From the faux southern accent she affects when she wants to appear folksy, to the crude identity politics, she seems the very picture of self-serving insincerity. Is her greatest appeal as the lessor evil? That is sad indeed.

As someone who wants to think of himself as a principled conservative, I find myself in a quandary. Neither front-runner seems even remotely acceptable. At the top of the ticket, I could either vote third party or write in Calvin Coolidge, and support the down-ballot Republicans who can be counted on to oppose principle to sleaze in the bitter years to come.