The Daily Peeve / Rant

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Originally Posted by Yppej

Sweden, quoting World Health Organization figures on excess deaths:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...oiding-strict/

Florida is disproportionately elderly. Even so, here's a comparison with California, one of the strictest states, in which there is no significant difference:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...ovid-reckoning

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I agree with this:
“The lesson from Sweden is to invest in your population's health and have less inequality,” Prof Devi Sridhar, the chairman of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, told The Telegraph.

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"But in the context of the Covid pandemic, another takeaway might be that Florida’s health outcomes haven’t been any worse relative to California’s than they usually are. The “DeSantis doctrine” on Covid has been defined as protecting the elderly while letting the young take risks, and that seems to have been pretty much what the state’s policies delivered."

There were signs that Florida was cooking COVID numbers early in the pandemic. That said, though both your examples did somewhat worse than comparable areas (Sweden much worse than other Nordic countries), the final outcome was awful everywhere.

If I were younger, sporting my original robust immune system, maybe I'd be as sanguine as you are about catching COVID.

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Originally Posted by rosarugosa

I know - does anyone actually go to the bank anymore to make a withdrawal?

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Me! Me! Me!

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

I agree with this:
“The lesson from Sweden is to invest in your population's health and have less inequality,” Prof Devi Sridhar, the chairman of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, told The Telegraph.

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"But in the context of the Covid pandemic, another takeaway might be that Florida’s health outcomes haven’t been any worse relative to California’s than they usually are. The “DeSantis doctrine” on Covid has been defined as protecting the elderly while letting the young take risks, and that seems to have been pretty much what the state’s policies delivered."

There were signs that Florida was cooking COVID numbers early in the pandemic. That said, though both your examples did somewhat worse than comparable areas (Sweden much worse than other Nordic countries), the final outcome was awful everywhere.

If I were younger, sporting my original robust immune system, maybe I'd be as sanguine as you are about catching COVID.

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I didn't realize you were so frail. Queen Elizabeth in her 90's, Biden frail and nearing 80, Fauci in his 80's, Pelosi, many other elderly people have had covid and it's been like the cold or a flu.

Now there are severely immunocompromised people like Colin Powell who was undergoing cancer treatment and who died, but one thing we've discovered in the pandemic is that a lot of people think they're immunocompromised and they're not. They don't understand the term. An example would be a former coworker of mine in his 20's, participated in sports, very active lifestyle, but was all worried about working in person because he has Crohn's disease which is a digestive disorder.

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because he has Crohn's disease which is a digestive disorder.

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Crohn's is an autoimmune disease. Your coworker had every reason to be concerned.

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Originally Posted by herbgeek

Crohn's is an autoimmune disease.

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Not exactly, it may trigger the body's immune system but I don't think it's classified as an autoimmune disease.

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I don't think it's classified as an autoimmune disease.

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https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...crohns-disease

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Originally Posted by herbgeek

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...crohns-disease

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That's what I would have guessed.

"Crohn's disease is a chronic, inflammatory disease of the gastrointestinal tract. It is an autoimmune disorder, meaning your body's immune system mistakenly attacks healthy tissue in your body."

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Originally Posted by Alan

Not exactly, it may trigger the body's immune system but I don't think it's classified as an autoimmune disease.

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Originally Posted by herbgeek

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...crohns-disease

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As I understand it there are differing opinions within the medical community as the body's response doesn't target the patient's body, as an autoimmune disorder would, but is limited to bacteria within the gastrointestinal tract. The Crohn's & Colitis Foundation simply refers to it as an IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease).

I would think that in any discussion of immunocompromised systems, it wouldn't be considered an autoimmune disease. But maybe that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Yppej

I didn't realize you were so frail. Queen Elizabeth in her 90's, Biden frail and nearing 80, Fauci in his 80's, Pelosi, many other elderly people have had covid and it's been like the cold or a flu.

Now there are severely immunocompromised people like Colin Powell who was undergoing cancer treatment and who died, but one thing we've discovered in the pandemic is that a lot of people think they're immunocompromised and they're not. They don't understand the term. An example would be a former coworker of mine in his 20's, participated in sports, very active lifestyle, but was all worried about working in person because he has Crohn's disease which is a digestive disorder.

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I guess we won't know how frail I am until I'm tested, will we? :D

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

I guess we won't know how frail I am until I'm tested, will we? :D

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Well if you suffer respiratory distress doing ordinary tasks in your everyday life that would be a pretty good indication since covid is a respiratory virus.

Early on the mother of a coworker of mine died of covid. He was not surprised because she was elderly, in a nursing home, and had COPD.

The media has largely ignored risk stratification and tried to scare everyone, ditto public health.