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Phoenix is mandating masks as of today
Love/hate that movie. Lived it too many times in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
If I could nominate a co-worker for each of the characters in that movie, that would be greeeaaaat...
Wearing masks is so oppressive in the summer heat that due to demand by their customers this underwear company has started making masks in a more breathable fabric:
https://us.fashionnetwork.com/news/J...c,1218608.html
I know despite my washing them the masks I have smell badly. I had a foul odor in my desk and traced it to the masks. Breathing in all that confined air is disgusting and unhygienic.
I guess that’s why we had the great ‘operating room revolt of 1992’ when all the surgeons and OR nurses across the country decided to not wear masks at work for a month.
‘Masks are uncomfortable, dr Smith, the organizer of the protest said. ‘And frankly, we don’t care if our germs infect our patients. They should have stayed home if they are scared. At worst someone working in the OR may have the flu.’
39 years of mask wearing in the OR. WHY did I succumb to someones rules that take away my freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
OMG I cannot believe this is still a question in anyone's mind>:(
I keep coming back to - because they are selfish, uncaring, and have very little or no compassionate for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
Just when I think someone can’t get any more ridiculous they do:))
I love the contradictions:
"Masks are ineffective; they don't stop viruses." and
"Masks trap carbon dioxide and bad smells inside."
Whatever. A growing body of data seems to prove their effectiveness in stopping/slowing viral spread. Good enough for me.
Covid particles are extremely small. Other stinky particles are larger. If you knew for sure that a person had covid would you spend long periods of time around them wearing any random cloth mask? I think not. Medical personnel don't. The reason is that only N95 masks specially fit to your face stop covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Covid particles travel on spit droplets, not free by themselves. The 140 people who got their hair done in Missouri by two stylists with moderate symptom covid but didn't get the disease are surely glad those stylists weren't stupid selfish idiots but instead WORE THE DAMN MASKS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I helped lead our Firefighter/EMT Union's strike a couple years back - carrying the 0.5 ounce masks just for patient care was too much of a burden, atop all of the 80 pounds of other gear we must wear. And the masks mess up our stylish moustaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
We should probably have better masks than we do:
https://hbr.org/2020/06/we-need-better-masks
So yes we should have better masks.
The defense production act should have been used to produce them, for healthcare workers first and then for everyone, months in now. But we live in a fail-state, so it's not happening, it should happen but it's not. If anything should cause one to go all libertarian or anarchists and then conclude "ok we have to handle this ourselves then without government" it would be the utter failures like this of our failstate - ok then we have to at least all wear masks ourselves (and this is the easy part - everything else is HARD to do without government - I mean I'd like to "go-fund-me" contract tracing at this point but ... maybe Bill Gates will help this under-developed country?).
But no instead of seizing the moment, hey government IS failing us in most ways here (mind you I approve of the mask mandates but it's hard to say government in general has been handling things so well), we have ridiculous people going on about not wearing masks for vanity reasons, only proving that they themselves are incapable of voluntary pro-social action without being forced into it. So good on Newsom for the mask mandate , even if in general Cali is also a nation-failstate with regard to covid.
Masks are getting better--with HEPA filters and nose clips and adjustable straps. Some of them are surely at the upper end of effectiveness per available charts. And again, data shows they work.
N95 masks work for airborne (aerosolized) covid. This happens with patients on ventilators, with intubation, etc.
The rest of covid is droplet spread and stopped by regular masks.
Tammy does aerosolization occur with dental procedures? My dentist has been trying to get me to come in for a cleaning but it seems a very unsafe environment to me right now. I would think dental drills release all sorts of spray from people's mouths into their offices.
Handy data visualization tool:
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-settings.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
First time at church today since mid-March. 10 people only. Very well spaced out. We have chairs, not pews, and chairs were scattered about with something like 10ft in between. I was expected to sing through my mask. I ended that pretty quickly. Not gonna work. And then I was having one perpetual hot flash. I was sitting against the wall. I turned to the wall several times to pull my mask down to cool down. I got a talking to after the service for doing that.
I’m maybe not going back until everything is fully open and no masks required.
I don't blame you Tradd. One thing I sometimes do is pull the mask under my nose so it only covers my mouth, which makes it a little easier to breathe, but I have not tried singing.
Today I went to a couple of stores in western New Hampshire with no mask mandates. It was so liberating. I felt normal again. Everyone is going to be so happy when this is over. I wonder if there will be mask burning parties.
It's supposed to cover the nose too, or it's much less effective. You know this, I suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
In case you don't:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html
In case you do:
Have some ice cream....
I'll hang on to my masks when this is all over. There's always a flu season.
Or the common cold, or some new rare virus, or smog, or a nuclear power plant blows up, somethiing else to be afraid of. Or you could get sprayed by a skunk while talking and it could get in your mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Me, too. I have one in the front pocket of my wallet - easy access. I'm not sure when "all over" will be, but I have a feeling it will be a long time from now. I have no problem wearing a mask, whether others wear them or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
On the news I heard there are multiple corona outbreaks in college towns and the students with the virus are largely asymptomatic. Of course the media made this out to be doom and gloom but I think, absent a vaccine, it is the best news we could have, because it means we are developing herd immunity without people getting sick, being hospitalized, or dying. And research is increasingly showing that immunity does develop, with "second" infections now believed to be old remnants of the virus, not reinfection, and more promising work with plasma treatments.
As Bae’s link shows, I think we are not sure yet on dental. I’m purring off my cleaning cause it can wait.
I was surprised that breathing treatments for asthma require airborne precautions. We switched entirely to inhalers instead of SVNs in my dept as soon as COVID started.
TY Tammy.
Umm, you might want to get your information from some other source than the news. Perhaps I could recommend the actual research instead? Which is quite recent, and I would describe it as "increasingly showing"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
On Thursday in fact, pretty much the first research to characterize the immune response in asymptomatic people was published.
It suggests that they mount a weaker response to the virus than people who develop symptoms. And in < 1 month, antibody levels fall to undetectable levels in 40 percent of asymptomatic people and 13 percent of symptomatic people. Herd immunity may not be so easy to establish as your claim.
So, back to your news then... No links for you, but you are welcome to come by our EOC for the daily conference...
Y, I think you have so much on your plate that you are lashing out and not facing your real problems. You are under employed despite having a college degree and a MI son dependent on you with no end in sight to develop your own life. I have been there and therapy really helped me to break free out of my prison and have my own life.
How could I forget ash fall? I wasn't prepared for that when St. Helens blew. I'm ready now! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
How about wildfires on the west coast, oh wait like another pandemic (a prior epidemic is part of why Asia was well prepared) that's in the never ever ever could happen, you made this up category. Wildfires and brush fires, increasing with climate change, I MUST be making things up.Quote:
How could I forget ash fall? I wasn't prepared for that when St. Helens blew. I'm ready now!
I mean air filters might be slightly more practical, heaven knows that's why I have an air filter, though I use it for other things too.
Our wildfires are generally on the other side of the Cascades, but that's another one for the list--if they get bad enough, the smoke will drift.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Maybe we could do some genetic engineering. Take the kangaroo genes that allow them to grow a pouch and get humans to grow a flap of skin over their mouths and noses. Need to eat? Put the food down into the pouch. The world is such a dangerous place and this would keep us all safe, because human breath can be oh so toxic.
That would make it messy to eat your ice cream sundaes.
The news seems to indicate the states that are seeing record increases in cases and hospitalizations have a disproportionate number of spreaders under 35 who may be ignoring social distancing and masks. Maybe it's gen X's plan to reduce the social security burden of us seniors with underlying conditions.
Tonight's news reported that while masks may stop some forward spread of particles, the particles simply move backward or upward where the mask is loose and still get out into the air, just in a different direction. This is why I believe only N95 masks specially fitted to your face do any good.
You could believe the Earth is flat too, but you'd be wrong on both counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
You know this.
"...points to a study published in Nature Medicine in April that looked at people infected with the flu and seasonal coronaviruses. It found that even loose-fitting surgical masks blocked almost all the contagious droplets the wearers breathed out and even also some infectious aerosols — tiny particles that can linger in the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
And a modeling study, published this month in Proceedings of the Royal Society A, concluded that if the majority of a population wore face masks in public — even just homemade ones — that this could dramatically reduce transmission of the virus and help prevent future waves of the pandemic.
As for cloth masks, the protection depends on what they're made out of and how well they fit. But with the right combination of materials, you can create a cloth mask that offers protection to the wearer in the 30% to 50% range or more, says May Chu, an epidemiologist at the Colorado School of Public Health who co-authored a paper published on June 2 in Nano Letters on the filtration efficiency of household mask materials. That's far from full protection, but combined with social distancing and hand-washing, she says, it's certainly better than nothing."
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...elps-heres-why
Shhhh. Stop with the science. You’re killing yppej’s ‘it’s only worthless old people who need to worry about this’ buzz. She doesn’t want to hear how we can reduce this to insignificance if we can just get the infection rate below one for a period of time because that would mean her having to take personal responsibility and concern for other human beings by living with a minor inconvenience.
65% of our OR staff cannot be fitted for N95. Now what? Since you know all:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej