Let the debate begin?

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Maybe he would make that ammo process simpler. Sign me up.

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It would certainly reduce the yearly operational cost of my yacht.

It looks like Don has declined a third debate on the basis that two successful debates should be enough. The poll of the day shows Harris got a pretty good bump after the debate.

My Trump/Harris moment in the debate was when Muir asked about climate change. Kamala gave a well thought out presentation of recounting recent weather extremes and disasters and how getting insurance in some areas was getting grossly expensive or impossible due to a changing climate. Then how Biden's build back better plan had created thousands of manufacturing jobs while at the same time encouraging a green energy economy. She acknowledged the need for diverse energy sources and seemed to have backed off the no fracking issues. And that she's been endorsed by the United Auto Workers Union. (I suppose all could be fact checked)

When it was Donald's turn he said there were actually 10,000 manufacturing jobs lost under Biden and went on a rant about how China is destroying our country and that was basically it. No mention of climate change one way or another. (Not too un similar to his mystery vulgarities about the Ukraine war).

But maybe the pet comment was the best.

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

There are people on the Right who think a vote for Harris would have a purgative effect on the GOP. David French, for one. I tend to think Harris/Walz would be too bitter an emetic to swallow.

I don’t agree with the argument that Harris is a slightly imperfect candidate who represents a sort of good deal on a scratch and dent sale. I think Harris 2.0 is a product of the same people who sold the Biden lie and are trying to sell Project 2025 as a sort of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. They put me in mind of what Bill Buckley said: “I won’t insult your intelligence by implying you believe what you just said”.

I think that in 2025 we are more likely to get the old Harris back than the media construct we’re seeing now. I’m more worried about the long term damage she would do than the chaos Trump might create.

So my plan is to vote for Chase Oliver for president and Republican down-ticket. And I will hope for four years of gridlock.

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Then don’t bitch if trump and his ilk wins and we have a world like Orban or his other authoritarian buddies maintain!

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

Then don’t bitch if trump and his ilk wins and we have a world like Orban or his other authoritarian buddies maintain!

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Hysterical rants to the contrary, I don’t believe either a Trump or Harris victory will signal the end of the Republic.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

It WAS your damned job to appoint a candidate who was not incapacitated by old age. Ya’ll went to the precipice with Biden and would have continued on with him if he had not agreed to a debate. His hubris is huge. Your party’s ability to deceive with the message “old Joe is perfectly fine” exceeds even his delusion. I feel duped and lied to, and I was considering voting for him before his astonishing debate performance.

As for picking a candidate I would like, I said often “anyone but Biden who isnt ancient.” Ok, we now have a shiny new one in Kamala. That’s fine. I purposely am not reading much about her, I prefer to maintain the veil of ignorance about her, and I can’t hate the fact that Walz is a midwesterner who looks like everyone’s suburban dad. I am superficial in this regard.

But I likely will not vote for Harris/Walz given her role in deceiving me about the President’s competency. My state will go for Trump anyway.

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I’m fascinated at this perspective. Although I don’t especially care since you live in a blood red state where old cat ladies are judged accordingly.

I am curious though, were you as concerned and angry about Reagan as his brain failed? And how Nancy protected him through the end of his presidency?

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

Hysterical rants to the contrary, I don’t believe either a Trump or Harris victory will signal the end of the Republic.

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As someone doing money management for decades, I find the chances that a Trump victory will cause serious disruptions to be non-zero, and reaching to the level of significance, and as I have mentioned previously, have already deployed the assets under management to account for this chance.

I do not have similar concerns with Harris.

If I'm wrong, I'll lose a little upside. If I'm right, I'll avoid a serious downside.

I am so proud of Kamala Harris. She mopped the kitchen floor with Trump's sorry behind. It was so gratifying to see her take aim and reduce DJT to the foolish flailing train wreck his is. Perhaps there is hope to kick the can down the road for another four free of Authoritarian Dictatorship, giving us all time to devise escape plans - the issues that allowed DJT to rise to power have not been addressed and are going nowhere. This problem severely reduces the long term viability of this citizenship - but if Harris wins there's four years to devise escape plans. Let's hope for a Harris win. Rob

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

I am so proud of Kamala Harris. She mopped the kitchen floor with Trump's sorry behind. It was so gratifying to see her take aim and reduce DJT to the foolish flailing train wreck his is. Perhaps there is hope to kick the can down the road for another four free of Authoritarian Dictatorship, giving us all time to devise escape plans - the issues that allowed DJT to rise to power have not been addressed and are going nowhere. This problem severely reduces the long term viability of this citizenship - but if Harris wins there's four years to devise escape plans. Let's hope for a Harris win. Rob

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how is your escape plan coming? When is launch day?

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

how is your escape plan coming? When is launch day?

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I was wondering that as well. I've been reading about the escape goal for the past 15 years or so but don't recall any solid updates mentioned. Bring us up to speed Rob, we're curious.

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Originally Posted by Alan

I was wondering that as well. I've been reading about the escape goal for the past 15 years or so but don't recall any solid updates mentioned. Bring us up to speed Rob, we're curious.

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We are thinking interestingly enough of Peru and also Chile. Argentina is interesting in that it's only two years to citizenship and a passport but there are many issues that need to be sorted out there. Mexico is probably the easiest bet. Rob